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I am the mongo29 Jan 2012 6:47 a.m. PST

I am looking to add some early 1690-1700ish Dutch marines to my pirate games.
Do you like this look
link
or does this do it for you
link
again this is a very loosely based in reality campaign.

thanks
Mongo

Patrice29 Jan 2012 7:30 a.m. PST

Before 1700 I prefer large hats, or unformal and somewhat flappy tricorns, than real tricorns which were just a very new fashion, even in France. Especially if you are talking about 1690.

(I have no idea if Dutch Marines wore a mitre or a hat).

OldGrenadier Fezian29 Jan 2012 7:35 a.m. PST

I say go with the mitre caps. They're very distictive.

michaelsbagley29 Jan 2012 10:08 a.m. PST

I would suggest going more this route….

link

Mako1129 Jan 2012 3:34 p.m. PST

I'm interested in this as well, but alas, don't have any info I can share on the Dutch.

Tangentially related though, which might be useful, I did run across the following info on French Marines being posted to "New France":

They were created in 1622, and were first sent to "New France" (The Americas) in 1683. In 1757, there were 40 units of Marines, consisting of 65 men each, in the region (primarily Canada). They reported to the Navy.

The French Marine companies were small, consisting of 45 – 90 men in a unit, and were commanded by a Naval Lieutenant (Captaine), and two ensigns (Marine Lt. and Brevet Ensign). There were also 2 sergeants, and 4 corporals in the unit.

They usually carried a white flag, but other flags could occasionally be used as well, e.g. white with 3 fleur de leis, and/or blue with the same number of fleurs.

In France, the Marine flags were quartered, over a white cross background (aligned vertically and horizontally), and had the following colors:

Rochefort – Green Quarters
Brest – Yellow Quarters
Toulon – Red Quarters
Saint Malo – Purple Quarters
Bordeaux – Blue Quarters
Quebec – Blue Quarters

Other than the flag in Quebec, the other colours were never displayed in the Americas.

I'm thinking about creating a unit or two of these, for various Caribbean adventures, and may model the Dutch/others along those lines as well.

Given their small size, they seem perfect for adventures on the tabletop.

Patrice30 Jan 2012 4:29 a.m. PST

Mako11:
Yes, Marines are useful for skirmish adventures. We have some of them in all our c.1700+pirates games. They were small units, and in small forts very small garrisons (for example, only one officer and a squad of ± 10 men) were certainly possible.

French Marines were also trained to use naval cannons.

Porthos30 Jan 2012 5:35 a.m. PST

Perhaps this will help: link
The Marines shown are from 1672.

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