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mjkerner17 Jan 2012 3:15 p.m. PST

Robert Griffing paintings are the quickest start, IMHO.

historygamer17 Jan 2012 3:46 p.m. PST

Griffing and Buxton. Take a look. Bob has some books out of his art as well.

Personal logo Der Alte Fritz Sponsoring Member of TMP17 Jan 2012 3:50 p.m. PST

Another vote for the Griffing books (I think that there are two of them).

corporalpat17 Jan 2012 4:10 p.m. PST

Ditto, the above. Ospreys only OK. You could also try here,

conquestminiatures.com

They had a very good guide for their 500 Nations line but I can't find it on their new site.

Also go to some re-enactor sites (or better, events) most of those guys really know their stuff!

Thomas Mante17 Jan 2012 4:54 p.m. PST

There are a couple of articles on painting Huron & Mohawk on the painting guides page of at The Galloping Major's website (scroll down)

link

Ashokmarine17 Jan 2012 6:13 p.m. PST

Try here

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Ashok

Berzerker7317 Jan 2012 9:59 p.m. PST

The two books by Griffing are fantastic!

Rudysnelson18 Jan 2012 7:32 a.m. PST

We did a series of articles on the American Revolutions. A couple were on native Tribes including a bibliography list.

Limited data on war paint though later articles on the Muscogee tribes in the South who fought there with the british were the same as the War of 1812 styles.

Send me an email at scottnelson@bellsouth.net and I will send you the articles from the Time Portal Passages.

axabrax18 Jan 2012 8:48 a.m. PST

Try googling French and Indian War reenacting. There are lots of photos of Indian "reenactors" that have decent war paint. Also second the Griffing books.

Inkpaduta18 Jan 2012 11:28 a.m. PST

I believe that Conquest has some information on their site for paint.

epturner19 Jan 2012 9:41 a.m. PST

If you Google "Aboriginal People in the Canadian Military", there is a downloadable PDF with artwork.

Unfortunately, whilst I have this on my desktop, I renamed the thing, so I do not have the originial site.

The Artist Pam White has done a few paintings of FIW and AWI re-enactors who do a First Nations impression. Some of these guys are outstanding.

Eric

Ironwolf19 Jan 2012 9:59 p.m. PST

The Five Nations (Mohawk, Oneida, Onondaga, Cayuga and Seneca) are the ones I think of when people talk about Indians during the AWI. I'm sure if you research each of the different tribes you'd find some reference material?

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iroquois

historygamer22 Jan 2012 9:06 a.m. PST

I think the Shawnee, Delawares, and Miamis were all active on the Ohio/PA/VA frontier during the war as well. IIRC, the last supposed battle of the war took place in present day WVA – with an attack by Butlers and Indians.

Virginia Tory24 Jan 2012 5:33 a.m. PST

>I think the Shawnee, Delawares, and Miamis were all active >on the Ohio/PA/VA frontier during the war as well. IIRC, >the last supposed battle of the war took place in present >day WVA – with an attack by Butlers and Indians.

Battle of Blue Licks, August 19, 1782.

There's also a nice scenario for Oriskany in one of the BG scenario books (shameless plug).

Ironwolf24 Jan 2012 8:32 a.m. PST

Its weird cause I was reading a historical fiction book called The King's Rangers by John Brick. At the beginning the characters fight in the Oriskany battle. About a week later I ordered the BG scenario books. When they arrived I was skimming through them saw the Oriskany scenerio. Only thing I noted different from the scenario to the book, was in the book they said there was a bridge crossing a creek along the trail/road. Either way the terrian is or was, its a fun scenario to game.

Virginia Tory24 Jan 2012 9:26 a.m. PST

>Its weird cause I was reading a historical fiction book >called The King's Rangers by John Brick. At the beginning >the characters fight in the Oriskany battle. About a week >later I ordered the BG scenario books. When they arrived I >was skimming through them saw the Oriskany scenerio. Only >thing I noted different from the scenario to the book, was >in the book they said there was a bridge crossing a creek >along the trail/road. Either way the terrian is or was, >its a fun scenario to game.

Excellent book, too! I was just thinking about that one.

Mapleleaf31 Jan 2012 10:54 a.m. PST

The Iroquois confederacy by the time of the Revolution was actually the Six Nations as the Tuscarora were added around in the 1720s. Six Nations is still used today to describe the Iroquois.

The revolution also caused a split in the confederacy as most of the Oneidas fought with the American revolutionaries. A good book that describes the relationships betwen Britain and her Indian allies is "His Majesty's Indian Allies: British Indian Policy in the Defence of Canada 1774-1815" by Robert S Allen

link

Although the book lacks the pictorial evidences liked by gamers it is still a fascinating history

historygamer31 Jan 2012 6:05 p.m. PST

The Indian alliance really didn't gain either side much. Same could be said for the previous war as well.

Rudysnelson06 Feb 2012 3:08 p.m. PST

Do not forget about the Chickamauga Town of the Cherokees who refused to surrender in 1783. They fought for several years after the War.
The Muskogee (Creek) tribeswere good british allies throughout the war. The Spanish kept the Choctaw neutral and had limited problems with the pro-British Chickasaw.

GROSSMAN21 Aug 2015 12:27 p.m. PST
Rudysnelson21 Aug 2015 7:44 p.m. PST

In regards to identifying warpaint., yes their were specific types in the Southeast. Some were clan or gen These were almost like tattoos they were subtle representations.

Some were full body like the Muskogee (creek) who painted their body half red and the other half blue or black which implied death.

The current Cherokee dancers use paint patterns that were popular for war in the 18 and 19 centuries. They were painted red over large portions of their bodies.

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