"Gordon and Hague ACW 10mm Miniatures Arrive" Topic

Thought some here may find these of interest as a possiblity to get into ACW fairly quickly and with less expense:

The troop shipment arrived today from Gordon and Hague. So far I've only opened the Union troops.

I'm happy with my purchase. So far, I've only discovered two figures separated from the stands during shipping. I'm curious about the ACW flag sheet for $3.50 USD, meaning the value of it. I'll wait til I attempt to raise them to make final judgement.

I can see adding a couple touches of drybrush, flocking, and magnets to the bottom.

This is a great chance to get into a new period while still keeping time freed up to paint my main focus, WWII.

I will buy more and look forward to the Gordon and Hague future releases.

See the first and less good youtube video here: youtu.be/sKp6JF8wdBE

See the second, somewhat better video here: youtu.be/bIPIZFsUYUQ

And here is the Picasa album: link

Finally, here's a link to my short blog post on it:
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YIKES! are those supposed to be kepi's or those little jockey caps they wear when at the races?

Thanks for pics, they reveal a lot.

For me they are very poorly designed and finished, but of course some may find them acceptable as they are ready painted nor care whether a uniform is reasonably depicted.

I am disappointed, as having seen ready painted WWII vehicles etc from Asian sources, I would have expected better masters used to create these products. Ditto the sentiment for painting.

Well, I am one of those apparently poor benighted fools who find them more than acceptable.

Awful, just awful.

>Well, I am one of those apparently poor benighted fools who find them more than acceptable.

Lol!

I think they are a great bridge to proper gaming from board gaming. They are just fine for a lot of people. Bear in mind, if you put up pictures of a superbly painted, and sculpted, army for the same price you would still get the usual grumpy pusses moaning. And that isn't the kind of moaning I like to hear, Derek. Nudge, nudge!

Considering they are painted to about the same level of my ability for small scales. I see no problem with them. When on the table used during a game I see union and rebel forces.

And the best part is I didn't spend years trying to paint them.

So, yeah. If you game with the figures at 1' from your face, you won't be satisfied. Move along. Nothing to see here.

However, 10mm look fine with a block paint job from 3' away (about as close as you would ever get to any miniature in a game environment). These figures have a block paint job. They probably look fine from 3 feet away. I think they are a great addition to the huge list of products out there. I suspect they will sell well.

They are perfect for people to get started quickly into ACW gaming. However, I would suggest that they improve on the jockey caps, err forage caps and the beehive hats on the Union advancing troops. If they are to be Iron Brigade troops, the tops should be flattened or cut off. But I think they would be fine with additional painting, washes and highligts.

Yeah that is about my level of painting anyways, so I will probably still get some at some point down the road.

I've seen plenty of 10mm on here photographed at a range of one inch that has looked about that good:). Remember the scale.

Obviously these wont be replacing beautifully painted armies. I reckon my own armies are as nice as most peoplez, so I get that… But I still understand how useful these are for getting that huge number of people who are not into the painting aspect of the hobby into wargaming.

And if i had a young kid I would absolutely kill for these… What 8 year old boy wouldn't poop his drawers if he unwrapped a box or two of these at Christmas?

Eh… You'll always have your whiners and complainers (for example Derek… Btw, Derek, I'd be happy to compare your figures with my own… Wonder if I would consider yours awful? Got any photos? I'm a big believer in those without sin casting the first stone… So how do they look?) but I think this is a great product. I am sure a quick blue/grey dry brush would work wonders, but I think that the key is that they are useable out of the box… Which they are. I do think some silfor tufts on the bases would be a good use of time:)

I wonder how they would look after using some quick shade dip on them.

-Bryan

I wonder how they would look after using some quick shade dip on them.

Marginally less awful.

You could strip them, repaint them totally and put them on a well done base and they'd still look bad.

But don't let me stop you all drinking the Kool-Aid.

That's better

Lots more well done 10mm ACW at scottmingus.wordpress.com

Those are your figures? I know you aren't Scott, as I've met Scott and he is a lovely gent who supports anyone who cares about the hobby and the ACW. If those are your figures they are quite nice.

Not mine, I can't paint tens as well as that. Just something I found doing a search for 10mm American Civil War.

Oh. Okay… So. What do yours look like?

Cool thing is, I don't feel G&H are misrepresenting what they're selling. I retread much of their website and I see no claims that their models are prize/show quality. They are designed to get you on the fuel of battle quickly – that they do.

There's a full range of products – blue and gray plastic armies at the dollar store where you can get 50 soldiers for a dollar. Or, a completely to scale-every-figure-is-unique army for $1,000 USDs. Read their "About" section and I would say he understands his target audience. And I'm it. Sure, I would like to have an army that looks like the pic above, but I can't afford that and wouldn't use it enough to justify it. I would also rather drive a BMW 800 series, but my Prius is great because it fits my budget and life situation.

In fact, the person who recommended I check out their product is a veteran ACW player with a very well painted 15mm set of armies. Many painted very specific to particular units. He did this understanding that it fit my level of interest in ACW.

You know what? Sorry, I don't mean to get this topic off-topic. It doesn't matter what your figures look like. You could still approach this two ways;

A) the nice, polite way of someone who loves the hobby and would love other people to have a chance to start it, and who appreciates someone trying to make that happen. This way would result in a post like "Hey, they aren't my cup of tea, but I think it is a good idea. I wonder what it would take to raise the level of X Y or Z. Good luck!"

B) the jerk way. This way would result in a post like "Awful, just awful." with zero attempt at constructive criticism or suggestions or anything of the sort.

I think you should try version A more often, and try to make helpful suggestions/constructive criticisms for products that don't suit your fancy.

I think you should try version A more often, and try to make helpful suggestions/constructive criticisms for products that don't suit your fancy.

And I think more people on TMP should just call a spade a spade.

i am very tempted to go 10mm for my new acw project. i did a couple thousand 15mm in the '80's and i wanted to do the 10mm this time.
these don't interest me at all. neverminding the fact that they are pre painted(i am capable of painting 10mm. and tho i'm not a museum grade painter, i can do alot better than these) i don't like all the figures in one pose.these are bad. sorry.

Hm, one pose has never bothered me. Check out my 25mm French army… Almost all march pose, outside of the commanders…

Same with my Russians…

And with my 10mm

One pose doesn't bother me too much. I think a lot of folks have their regular infantry in one pose, the more so in that scale.

well, those look great. and i understand its up to a persons preferance. but i want a battle line to look like the men are fighting. not marching down main street.

I just do not understand the need to be so unpleasant about something. I, a few years ago, would have never considered buying pre-painted miniatures, it just would not have crossed my mind as painting and creating my own armies was something I very much enjoyed.

Times change though, I got married, started a very demanding job and now have a nine month old son. And the result? My hobby time is now next to non-existent and will remain so I imagine for quite a few years to come. These G&H miniatures are something of a godsend for me, they will allow me to continue wargaming despite my lack of painting time and that is great. Sure they are not going to win any painting awards when seen at the sort of close ranges in some of those photos, but then again who cares? I think the photos on the G&H site demonstrate they look fantastic from normal gaming ranges, and we are talking about a mass battle scale here. I for one am damn excited about them and have already ordered a few to start my collection.

I very much wish G&H the best of luck with their venture. Despite the grumpy old farts on this forum they have seen a significant gap in the market and I hope they reap the rewards. We should all be, whatever are thoughts about the product, delighted that the possibilities for our very niche hobby are expanding.

Lord Ashram,

Your pretty bases on that French army reminded me of chocolate marble cake, and has now made me hungry. You are foiling my diet!

I think they look pretty good for the scale and cost – have a load heading my way now, also look at the website where they do say the mark 2 models will be more detailed and that there are specialist units en route soon (April accodring to Brian).

A quick wash and some static grass does wonders at maybe 2 minutes per battalion and they stand up to th 1' test a lot better.

Derek – best to post pictures of your own stuff when criticising, anyone can find the top end profossional figures on google.

I bought a big Union army form a local game shop here in Mexico City. (Of all places to find this minis Mexico City would be the least probable but…. yet I did found them :) )
They are good figures, all in the same pose, the "factory" painting is a good job to a pre-painted figure standard (think D&D pre-paints or AH WWII pre-paints).
The miniatures could be used as they are and I guess many players will use them this way; but I also guess a lot more are going to "touch up" their miniatures.
I did "touch up" all my Union troops, some details and a basic shading was all it took. I Also flocked all the bases with static grass.
In all I painted, or rather, "touched up" 110 bases in less than a week (I would say about some 7 or 8 real time painting hours).
I would strongly recommend this figures to war gamers who have more time or interest in playing that painting.
If you are in the other corner, and like to spend more time painting and less playing this minis will not be your "cup of tea".
This is a list of the hings I re-painted:
1.- All Kepis because they are painted black not dark blue.
2.- Milita blanket rolls because they are painted all brown and I wanted more colors mixed in to have a more "irregular" look.
3.- Union regular troops shoes/pants because they all seem to be wearing short boots instead of brogan shoes.
4.- Artillery gun tubes. I painted some brass and left others black to be able to use some as Napoleon guns and some as Rifled Parrot guns.
5.- Horses are all brown, I painted some white parts in their legs and foreheads.
I also got the ACW flags Gordon and Hague is selling, but I did not liked them much and ended using my own home-made paper flags.
Hope this helps.

What was the name of the shop in Mexico City?

The store name is Kallisti Juegos.
It is in the south-west part of the city.
I think I got all the Union troops they had. : )
The store-owner kept all of the confederates for his own army.

The bottom line is what excites you about the hobby. My personal enjoyment is seeing nicely painted figures on a table with good looking terrain. There are many folks in the hobby where the look of the table is secondary to playing the game. I've seen many games with a piece of felt as the trees,poorly painted figures and clumps as hills and the players are having a great time. No right or wrong but that doesn't rock my boat.
I might buy the above figures for my grandson to introduce him to the hobby but lack any personal appeal.

I'm gonna buy loads of them, remember that the terrain is half the impression, you use these figures, do a little tuch up, spend a few hours on that and the bases.

Then get great looking terrain, and it will all be gravy

Having just painted several hundred 10mm last sring I cannot wait to get my hands on these.

In an evening I am sure I can accomplish touch ups to my satiffation and be playing verses the weeks I spent painting and basing the rest of my armies.