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06 Jan 2012 8:45 p.m. PST
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flooglestreet06 Jan 2012 7:44 p.m. PST

I post pictures of my games on the web. I want to do a skirmish in a nazi headquarters building, and I want a flag on the wall. But I want people in Germany to read my posts without breaking local law. It seems to be a big thing with them. Does anybody make a bowdlerized nazi flag for wargames? This is for 28mm.

Greylegion06 Jan 2012 9:16 p.m. PST

Someone on here was using a cool looking "Thor" looking hammer with wings on both sides. I think it was a black hammer on a red field. I meant to mark the post but forgot and now can't find it. Hopefully they'll pop in on this post.

Weird WWII06 Jan 2012 9:38 p.m. PST

Just blur the pic for your Germans.

Brian

haywire06 Jan 2012 10:50 p.m. PST

I usually see it replaced with the iron cross or Balkenkreuz.

Tankrider06 Jan 2012 11:15 p.m. PST

"I'm gonna give you a little somethin' you can't take off." – Lt. Aldo "The Apache" Raine

David Manley07 Jan 2012 12:57 a.m. PST

Bearing in mind some of the conversations that go on here on TMP you could always use this :)

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Space Monkey07 Jan 2012 2:53 a.m. PST

I always liked the crossed hammers from The Wall link

Plynkes07 Jan 2012 3:39 a.m. PST

I would photoshop the Swastika out of your pics. Seems daft to let German law dictate how your games look on your own table thousands of miles from Germany, when you can simply doctor the photos. A bit of blur or pixelation would do the trick lovely.

Henrix07 Jan 2012 5:14 a.m. PST

If you really want to bother about another flag I also endorse Venusboys3s suggestion of the hammer flag from The Wall.

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Though I don't really think it is necessary – a small flag in a photo should pass German censorship.
According to the German wikipedia (with thanks to Google translate):
"Allowed in Germany is a swastika illustration in § 86 para 3 Penal Code only if they are 'of civic education, protection against illegal endeavors, the arts or science, research or teaching, reporting on events of current affairs or history or similar purposes'."
Which should well cover a foreign use of a swastika in a historical diorama.

cavcrazy07 Jan 2012 6:06 a.m. PST

Wow, talk about revisionist history.

Martin Rapier07 Jan 2012 2:55 p.m. PST

What Henrix said, I really wouldn't sweat about swastikas in a blog.

They'd have had bit of a problem making 'Downfall' if Germans weren't even allowed to look at a swastika.

Cherno08 Jan 2012 6:38 a.m. PST

It's either prohibiting the display of swastikas _Outside of academic and historical contexts_ (so no absolute Verbot) OR having Neonazis march through Berlin with proper swastika flags. I think it's easy to see why the choice was made for the former option, as the latter would be an quite an embarassment in domestic and foreign politics, and an punch in the face for everyone who suffered under nazi occupation.
Just to clear things up a little.

As a German, I would not be offended by seeing swastikas on tiny flags of wargaming troops, but I can understand that it's difficult if not impossible for lawmakers to decide wether a particular photo is meant to glorify nazism or just a display of hobby-related, historically accurate work.
I think the Balkenkreuz instead of a swastika works well enough.

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