"Dogfight at Kaneohe - CY6 AAR" Topic

I posted some photos of a recent small CY6 game along with a brief AAR. It's a home-made scenario representing one of the small fights that took place on the morning of Dec 7, 1941. Two American P-36 against two Zeroes. Once again, CY6 proves to be a great game!

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I have to wait til after work to see your AAR, work blocks your site. What stats did you use for the P-36?

Please post them if you can.

Oddball,

We ended up going with the Hawk 75 stats listed under the French in the book. I don't have that with me at the moment, but what did cause us some consternation is the Hawk 75 is listed as a move A, while the P-40 under the US aircraft is listed as a B. Since the P-40 is a derivative of the P-36, we debated about making the P-36 a B, but ended up going with the A. I'm still open to changing that.

I'm pretty sure the Hawk 75 is listed at A4 +3, but I'd have to look in the book to confirm.

The Hawk is three feet shorter and about a ton lighter than the P-40. The wing loading on the 36 is only 24 lbs while the 40 is 35 so I would expect the 36 to have a shorter turn radius.

Thanks, I'm also thinking of what stats to use with the P-26 for Philippines Air Force.

Excellent explanation Mikhail! I'm no engineer. We really wondered about that, as the stats seemed to make it a good match for the Zero. Mostly it was just bad flying on my part…

Isn't there a special, super-maneuverable CY6 movement chart exclusively for the A6M2 Zero? Some folks feel that the A movement chart doesn't do the Zero justice.

Looks like a fun little game, thanks. I like your P-36s.

The special movement chart was done for A6M2 Zero with drop tanks. It was done for the 'Canal campaign book.

The A6M2 Zero stats in the rules show a very manuverable aircraft at lower speeds and acceptable at higher speeds.

The 36 is a fair match for the A6M2 except in climb. The Zero has a 22 lb. wingloading. It is also better armed with the two 20mm cannon. Probably the reason the 36 did so poorly at Pearl is novices up against professionals. Plus the Zero in trouble could go upstairs like a high speed elevator. It was a Hawk that scored the first kill for the French if I recall correctly.

Good points, Mikhail. In the game, the P-36s only have four light machine guns. I did hit him once, but rolled so low on the d4 that the Zero just kept going. The Zero's cannons roll d10, so pack much more punch in game terms compared to the P-36.

Mikhail,

You are right on the French kill, early in the war, '39.

The Hawk Squadrons in the French Army of the Air had the best kill to loss ratio in the Battle for France.

Only problem there were only 6 squadrons of Hawk 75s if I remember correctly.

Mikhail,

You are right on the French kill, early in the war, '39.

The Hawk Squadrons in the French Army of the Air had the best kill to loss ratio in the Battle for France.

Only problem there were only 6 squadrons of Hawk 75s if I remember correctly.

Oh, ya, finally got home to read the AAR. Thanks for sharing.

The trouble with the P-36s at Pearl was they were rushed into the air without properly installing the guns. At least one aircraft landed with breach plugs still in the guns.
They were armed with one light and one heavy machine gun

David Akin did a superb write up of this action in Air Journal back in 2002(?)

The actual combat started with four P-36s bouncing six Zeros, which were shortly joined by three more. The Americans lost one plane and pilot with the rest suffering damage. The Japanese suffered several damaged planes, but no losses.
The P-36 was avery maneuverable plane, on par with a Zero, but it was undergunned and was only operational with a couple squadrons at Pearl. Only a few got off the ground, but acquitted themselves well, one shooting down a pair of Kates.
The RAF used Hawk 75A-4s (Mohawk IVs) in a couple squadrons in India and Burma, 1942-43. The Dutch had a squadron of Hawk 75A-7s in the East Indies. These were Wright Cyclone powered models. The USAAF and the Armee d'Aire used Pratt & Whitney Twin Wasps. About forty ex-French and ex-Norwegian Hawks were sold by Germany to the Finns in 1941, just before Operation Barbarossa. Thes were the second best performing aircraft in the Finnish Air Force before the introduction of Messerschmitt 109Gs in 1943.
Most foreign operated Hawks were armed with either 4 or 6 light machine guns, but the Finns started replacing the nose guns with heavy machine guns in 1942.