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Don Sebastian Supporting Member of TMP04 Jan 2012 7:07 a.m. PST

Does anyone knows the uniform of the Swedish Staff Officers (Generals, Aides and Engineers) and Commissary (Quartermasters, Secretaires, Surgeons and War Commisioners) during the napoleonic wars?

SJDonovan04 Jan 2012 8:23 a.m. PST

I don't know whether they have got any of the information you are looking for, but you'll find a couple of good sites on the Swedish army here:

link

swordandsabre.com/serv02.htm

And there are lots of illustrations of Swedish uniforms in the NYPL digital gallery: link

Don Sebastian Supporting Member of TMP04 Jan 2012 9:08 a.m. PST

Thanks! Those links are fantastic! However, I couldn't find the information I was looking for…

Personal logo Doctor X Supporting Member of TMP04 Jan 2012 12:33 p.m. PST

Swedish Commisary troop uniforms.

One of the most interesting questions on Napoleonic uniforms I've seen in a long time.

Sounds like an interesting project.

Don Sebastian Supporting Member of TMP04 Jan 2012 9:50 p.m. PST

Yeah, the problem is that it's a hell to find information on the subject…

plutarch 64 Supporting Member of TMP05 Jan 2012 12:31 a.m. PST

Anschluss Publishing do a nice little uniform guide on the 'Army of Sweden 1802-1814, which might be of use. I think I probably purchased mine from Essex Miniatures in the UK, but can't be certain.

They have a short paragraph on engineers which suggests the officer and NCO uniforms were the same as the artillery, with either dark blue or black facings.

They also have a few paragraphs on general officers, stating that they wore a bicorn with a blue over yellow plume, a dark blue jacket with dark blue turnbacks, collar and cuffs, with the latter two piped gold, and with buff leather breeches.

There are a few other bits and pieces – I'm not sure where you are based, but the booklet contains quite a bit of detail and I believe could be well worth the five pounds or so.

plutarch 64 Supporting Member of TMP05 Jan 2012 12:31 a.m. PST

Nothing on the commissary that I could find, however…

Don Sebastian Supporting Member of TMP05 Jan 2012 7:39 a.m. PST

Thanks! Does anyone have any idea of where to find information about the commissary troops?

Personal logo Doctor X Supporting Member of TMP05 Jan 2012 2:23 p.m. PST

Don, there is someone in Sweden who used to post on here (Longka???)

He was able to help me with some Swedish Napoleonic uniform details.

He also had a website talking about conversions, battle reports, etc. For his 15mm 1809 Swede/Russian war gaming.

Maybe google that and try him direct?

SJDonovan05 Jan 2012 2:35 p.m. PST

I think that's the guy from the first link I posted. I had an idea that he posted here. There's a contact email on his website: link

This is his TMP profile: TMP link

I'm guessing if anyone can help you he can (and judging by his site he likes 15mm Minifigs which makes him a sound fellow in my book)

Grognard178905 Jan 2012 9:40 p.m. PST

Don S,

Just so happens I purchased a book recently on Swedish uniforms. As soon as it arrives I'll let you know.

link

Chris

Don Sebastian Supporting Member of TMP06 Jan 2012 6:18 a.m. PST

Thanks guys! I'll stay tuned.

Personal logo Colonel Bill Supporting Member of TMP06 Jan 2012 6:57 a.m. PST

Swedish Commissary personnel, image below. And you don't have to thank me :).

picture


(thanks to my supporting Yahoo Group for identifying this piece of top-notch research)

Warmest regards, Colonel Bill
ageofeagles.grouply.com

Don Sebastian Supporting Member of TMP06 Jan 2012 11:43 a.m. PST

I think I found something on this link . Can anyone translate the following phrase?
"För fältskärskåren faställdes uniform år 1806 och 1812."

Rosen9221 Inactive Member06 Jan 2012 12:46 p.m. PST

"För fältskärskåren faställdes uniform år 1806 och 1812."


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Hrrm

Sorry, it means approximatly "for the medical corps the uniform was changed years 1806 and 1812"


Fältskär = Field surgeon

cheers
Niklas

Don Sebastian Supporting Member of TMP06 Jan 2012 3:41 p.m. PST

Thanks man! But I think this time I found something usefull. Any help with the translation would be usefull:

"Kongl. Majes:ts Fält Läkare Statens Uniform är under
den 21 augusti 1806 1 Nåder fastställd som följen

Mörkblå Råck med dubbel knapprad framtill, 10 knappar
på hvardera sidan, Girmosin Rödt foder. Råckskjörtena upfäs-
tade, kragen och upslag mörklå, ett Upväck af Girmosin Rödt
kläde på kragen 3 V2 fum bredt.

Hvit klädes väst med en knapprad, som synts 2 tum
nedan om råcken framtill.

Mörkblå Lång-böxor och half stöflar enligt Infanteri Mo-
dellen.

Första Glassens Läkare bära ej Spårar, om de icke äro
tjensfeörande vid Cavalleri Regementen.

Första Glassen bär Infanterie Underofficers värja med Silf-
ver port d*Epée.

De öfriga Classer Infanterie Officers värja med Civil Guld
port d'Epée. Alla Classer bära ett Cartouche af brändt läder,
burit i en rem af samma sort med förgylda beslag. På lacket
af Cartouchen är en oval förgyld plåt, på hvilken synes Escu-
lapii staf.

I detta patronkök bära Läkaren de nödvändigaste Instru-
menter och behofver till första förbindningen. Ett särskildt
Modell skall dertill i nåder fastställas. Det bör vid Marscher
och Trouppers rörelse alltid bäras, äfvensom vid alla paraderin-
gar och högtidliga tillfällen.

Hatten trekantig, uppfästad med en Guld träns och svart
Cocard; Guldtoffsar i hörnen för alla grader utom den förste
dassen.

Förste dassens Läkare bära på det röda upväcket Ett
knapphål och en Uniformsknapp. Andra dassen 2:ne knapp-
hål och Tredje 3 knapphål.

Förste Fältläkaren vid en sammandragen Armée har dessa
3:ne knapphål omgifne med en smal Guld Galon. Chefen för
Fält-Läkare-Staten bär von Linné's blomma broderad i Guld, i
stället för dessa knapphål.

-213-

Uniformen bör vid alla tillfällen bäras, enligt hvad Gene-
ral Ordres derom föreskrifva, hvaröfver si väl Chefen för Fält-
Läkare-Staten, som Chefeme för Regementer och Corpser och
öfrige vid Arméen som det åligger, böra vaka.

Stockholm den 9 September 1806. "

Rosen9221 Inactive Member07 Jan 2012 6:05 a.m. PST

Sebastian

I will give it a try later tonight…..

Niklas

Rosen9221 Inactive Member07 Jan 2012 5:36 p.m. PST

Hi

Im not going to do word for word, its old Swedish language here.

"Royal majestys Field doctors uniform is 21 August 1806 decided to be:

Dark blue coat with double breast buttons, 10 on each side. Dark blue facings. One Carmosine red lace(?????) 3V2 inches wide on the collar.

White vest with single row buttons, visible 2 inches (ie longer than the coat)on the front.

Dark blue trousers, infantry boots(officer).

1st Class Doctors dont have spurs if they are not serving in a cavalry regiment. They also have Underofficer Sword(NCO) with silver lace.

Other doctors Officer Sword and gold lace
All doctors wear a cartouche of burned leather
In this he carries emergency equipment

Tricorne with gold lace and black kokard, Gold ???(round) in the corners of the tricorne.

Then it describes that signums of rank is on the collar.

Just realized that my English falter in this mission…..

Niklas

Rosen9221 Inactive Member08 Jan 2012 5:01 a.m. PST

One more thing

Dont take the tricorne seriously, in the text it says "trekantad hatt(threepointed hat)" which is the usual abbreviation in Swedish for it, but in many texts also the Bicorne is named so. In 1806 most other units had the Bicorne.

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