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Personal logo wrgmr1 Supporting Member of TMP02 Jan 2012 11:17 a.m. PST

What size of game are you planning, battalion, brigade, division?
What rule set will you you use?
In what scale will you be playing?
Guess as to how many figures you will need?

Our group is planning on doing it in Early September.
Battalion level.
Shako 2 rule set.
25/28 MM
Still working on how many figures we will need. Something like 100 plus battalions a side.

Personal logo ColCampbell Supporting Member of TMP02 Jan 2012 11:58 a.m. PST

Not doing Borodino, but we will be doing a slightly imaginary battle between the Austrian/Saxon auxiliary corps in the south against the Russians to celebrate Napoleon's invasion of Russia.

Jim

Lou from BSM Supporting Member of TMP02 Jan 2012 11:59 a.m. PST

Borodino is a bit large for the way that I want to do it. Instead, I am doing Salamanca in 1:60 scale. Planning on having it complete in time for the 200 year anniversary in July, 2012.

Whirlwind02 Jan 2012 12:11 p.m. PST

Definitely. I'll play it at least a couple of times, with Polemos, HFG and maybe Grande Armee as well, so with brigades as the basic units. I'll be using my 6mm Peninsular Armies, with the Spanish standing in for the Russians (with maybe some Brit and Portuguese Cavalry and Artillery thrown in). Not sure how many figures I'll need but it will be doable. Table – dunno yet, maybe 6'x6'

Regards

Lord Raglan Inactive Member02 Jan 2012 12:20 p.m. PST

I have been invited to play a game this Easter.

It will feature a couple of 28mm infantry divisions plus cavalry on both sides.

At the moment, I think we are using BP.

Raglan

Nohrmann02 Jan 2012 12:52 p.m. PST

We are going to play the battle in the beginning of September.
Using 15 mm figures. Rules will be Napoleon battles.

Anyone having any experiences in this. Order of battle and table layout.

Regards
Claus

Sparker02 Jan 2012 1:01 p.m. PST

Yes, a group of wargamers based on our FLGS, the Hall of Heroes Campbelltown NSW is planning a Borodino mega game on the Sunday after the 200th anniversary, i.e the 9th Sept.

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Game Size? We are still very much in the embryonic planning stages, but it seems we will be replacing a historical Division of 8-16 Bns with a 'Brigade' of 3-4 Bns, each Bn based at 1:20. That way we still get the massed mega game effect of big battalions, and the large formations, but cutting out a command level and the painting task! The Russians come in at about 47 Bns….

We hope to have about 3 umpires covering 3 x 12 foot tables, and two teams of about 6-9 players on each side…

Rules will be Black Powder, slightly modified for forming squares and artillery ranges….

We have already had one small practice game, details here
link

Scale will be 28mm – is there any other?!

No of figures – very roughly about 3,600…

Clays Russians02 Jan 2012 2:33 p.m. PST

thats beautiful man,

Esquire02 Jan 2012 2:53 p.m. PST

A group in Indiana (USA) will play the battle in 28/30mm figures on 1:20 scale using our house rules with the battle broken up over three parts in three games over three months: April -- Borodino Utitsd, May -- Borodino Great Redoubt, and then June -- Borodino Fleches. Really looking forward to it. Not uncommon for our group to throw 100 units (inf bns, cav regts and art batteries) on a 7' by 12' table.

Personal logo Saber6 Supporting Member of TMP Fezian02 Jan 2012 4:13 p.m. PST

My hope is to have lots of Russians ready before September. I may need to farm them out though

The Tin Dictator02 Jan 2012 4:46 p.m. PST

Our club will be doing the battle at Regimental level in 15mm using Imperial Lances for the rules. We are planning to have the battle on Labor Day weekend (US) in September since its a long weekend.

Troop count is around 4,500 figures. The table will be a custom battlefield that we are currently in the process of constructing.

We're in the Phoenix Arizona metro area and anyone interested in playing should drop me a note.

rmcaras Supporting Member of TMP02 Jan 2012 5:24 p.m. PST

will be doing one in AoE [brigade level], later this year, closer to the actual anniversary.

Lou from BSM Supporting Member of TMP02 Jan 2012 5:32 p.m. PST

@ Nohrmann,

The OOB and table layout was in the original Napoleon's Battles boxed set. It was played on a 5x9 table and the scenario book had 3x pages of unit ID tags. So, all th work is done for you… all you need to do now is paint!!!

Personal logo Stosstruppen Supporting Member of TMP02 Jan 2012 5:56 p.m. PST

@Nohrmann,
Wish you were not so far away I'd love to play in that!

oldnorthstate02 Jan 2012 7:52 p.m. PST

Well, you're all in luck. The current plan is to do Borodino at Fall In 12, using the Carnage and Glory computer moderated system. We'll be using 28mm, battalion/squadron based units. There will be three seperate 6x14 table sets representing the battlefield. It will be similar in concept to the Borodino game run in 2002 at Fort Monroe. We expect to play it on Saturday.

As a preview we're running Shevardino at Cold Wars 12, with the results being carried forward to the Borodino game at Fall In. That includes casualties and possible revised deployment for both French and Russian armies for the Borodino game. Painting continues a pace…

db

Nohrmann02 Jan 2012 8:19 p.m. PST

@ Lou from BSM,

Thank you. I'll look into that.

@ Stosstruppen,
Maybe you should do the trip to Denmark in September:-) Your are welcome.

Claus

Personal logo great hall games Sponsoring Member of TMP02 Jan 2012 10:04 p.m. PST

I still harbor the remote hope that I will actually go to Moscow to visit the Borodino battlefield on the 200th anniversary.

gounour Inactive Member02 Jan 2012 10:22 p.m. PST

we'd planed to do it in november, battalion-size, with 25mm minis, but we're a bit short of russian guns (say an average 100 gun short) i we do not want to get a crowded table. we did it some years ago in 15mm

so we'll do 1st Polotsk, after having done Jakubowo some times in 1811

size 1/50-33, rules L3C

Chortle Fezian02 Jan 2012 10:44 p.m. PST

I've booked a game at the Wargames Holiday Center to play on the anniversary. They are actually holding a campaign week. But Mark agreed to let me come for the last day when the big battle will be on.

The tables are 28 feet across. I will be playing with 28mm Napoleonics.

wargameshc.co.uk

Sparker02 Jan 2012 10:55 p.m. PST

Its great to see that this most epic of battles is being commemorated truly 'in the Grand Manner'…Peter Gilder would have been proud of you all!

Joe Fish Supporting Member of TMP03 Jan 2012 2:34 a.m. PST

Our group will do a Borodino scenario using Field of Battle (Piquet multiplayer rules) in 28mm at the 2012 Historicon. The two blogspot sites to check on this are the 'Blunders on the Danube' by Peter (Gonsalvo) and 'Czar BArry' oddly enough written by Barry F.

I have some 'units painted' reports on my blog, 'Fishtales' as we have been painting and testing a couple of scenarios with the game in mind for the last year. We have a few unbits to paint, but the OOB, terrain and scenario are pretty well thought out at this point.

nsolomon99 Supporting Member of TMP03 Jan 2012 3:17 a.m. PST

There's a great scenario on the La Feu Sacre Yahoo Group for the Schevardino Redoubt the day before Borodino proper. Its battalion level (for LFS) and allows a large Corps vs Corps size action with lots of good quality formations all fitted into a reasonably sizing playing area that I can fit into my library here in north-western Sydney.

So, yep, I'll be re-enacting alright. :)

Personal logo Colonel Bill Supporting Member of TMP03 Jan 2012 6:18 a.m. PST

I believe that Paul Olszanski will be doing Borodino using AOE at Cold wars, maybe again for Fall In. The game has already had a big pictorial in Wargames Illustrated and the actual AOE scenario is available thru the WI website for free download. Go here:

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Warmest regards, Colonel Bill
ageofeagles.grouply.com

Qurchi Bashi03 Jan 2012 8:22 a.m. PST

The RAF Leuchars (Scotland) club hosted a Borodino game over the holidays. We used General de Brigade but with units representing brigades instead of battalions. Even then there were lots of 28mm figures on the table.

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Erik Priessman (in the red shirt, centre) was the primary organiser, along with few others. Many thanks to them for putting it together.

lasalle01203 Jan 2012 9:12 a.m. PST

I will also be running a Borodino game at Little Wars 2012 in April. We will be using AOE rules and scenario for the game.

Using the PDF provided on the Wargames Illustrated website I sent the map to a printer, had it printed off to the size of the table. I will use this as my template to build the terrain boards for the game. Construction starts next week on the boards.

should be a great event….plan on taking many pictures of the building of the boards and of our playtest. Will post them on the HMGS-Midwest website for those that may be interested.

COL Bill----would you consider coming to the convention for the game?

Personal logo Gonsalvo Supporting Member of TMP03 Jan 2012 2:47 p.m. PST

As Joe said, we will be doing Borodino at Historicon this July:

28mm Scale (or "size")

Number of figures: 3,000+

Rules: Field of Battle 2nd edition by Brent Oman.

Table: 28 feet x 5 feet, with some additional depth on the flanks

Players: 17, with plenty of troops for a few extras if needed.

Duration: 6 hours

This game has been in development, painting, and playtesting for almost 2 years!

Peter

Personal logo Colonel Bill Supporting Member of TMP04 Jan 2012 7:22 a.m. PST

Lasalle012,

Gee I dunno. I do anticipate having some excess PTO this year, so it is possible.

Other than my undeniable good looks, how would my being there benefit your game or the con in general?

Regards, Colonel Bill
ageofeagles.grouply.com

lasalle01204 Jan 2012 7:32 a.m. PST

Not only will the group that I play with be running Borodino, we are also talking about running some Regimental Fire & Fury games…one civil war, the other Mexican/American. I am sure that many Midwest players woule welcome an opportunity to meet with you and ask you questions on the rules you have developed.

Last year I ran the Little Round Top Regimental F&F Game at the convention and it went over quite well.

For our 2013 convention we will run Gettysburg, and in 2014 Waterloo

Milesgloriosus07 Jan 2012 5:34 a.m. PST

in Rome, we'll play borodino Beatles next occorre. 15 mm, some thousands of miniatures, a base Being about half a battalion , 250 horses, 6-8 guns. Rules will be L'aigle, with many changes.
We nave set up a dedicated blog to the project
Http://borodino200.blogspot.com

Milesgloriosus08 Jan 2012 8:53 a.m. PST

Oh, oh, sorry, some troubles with my new ipad :). We ll play Borodino next October… Without Beatles, Paul and Ringo did not confirm their presence ;)

Poniatowski17 Jan 2012 4:41 a.m. PST

I am working on company level Borodino currently… I had dreams of being ready for the anniversary, but that ain't happening. I have all of the Russians in 15mm and about 1/3 of the French. I am working on Poles now.

With any luck, I will be able to pull off one of the days… so only part of the battle.

Personal logo Der Alte Fritz Sponsoring Member of TMP18 Jan 2012 2:47 p.m. PST

As Joe said, we will be doing Borodino at Historicon this July:

28mm Scale (or "size")

Number of figures: 3,000+

Rules: Field of Battle 2nd edition by Brent Oman.

Table: 28 feet x 5 feet, with some additional depth on the flanks

Players: 17, with plenty of troops for a few extras if needed.

Duration: 6 hours

This game has been in development, painting, and playtesting for almost 2 years!

Peter

Having organized and hosted a number of similar sized games, I don't see how you can possibly finish this scenario with this number of figures in 6 hours. Maybe 10 hours????? IMHO, of course.

Personal logo wrgmr1 Supporting Member of TMP21 Jan 2012 10:43 p.m. PST

At our Wagram game we had a 36 foot table and approx 6500 figures, using Shako 2 rules. We started at 10:30 am and finished at 5:00 pm with an hour lunch. So about 5 and a half hours of play time. The Austrians were crushed.

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True Grit Inactive Member22 Jan 2012 2:08 a.m. PST

Best looking and most interesting Nap game I've seen in a long time, well done the organisers.

lasalle01227 Jan 2012 8:21 a.m. PST

Started work on my boards last night. I took the PDF of the scenario to a print shop and had them print out the map for me to the size of the table. 8x6. Then used that as my templated to mark in all the terrain features.

Next step (tonight)will be to cut the hills to the proper shape and start cutting in the rivers. That should be completed by the end of the weekend.

Still painting troops as well. At about 90% complete with the Russian Army. The French are well under way as well, another member of our group is putting together the French Forces. He is probably at 80%.

We are also considering using the special rules for russians. Reduction in musket fire points, increase in close combat

14Bore27 Jan 2012 1:06 p.m. PST

It's a shame I don't own a Frenchman because I build my Russian Army on the Borodino OOB, Have about 3/4 of the First Western Army

Rallynow21 May 2012 2:47 p.m. PST

September 8th we will do Borodino in 15mm with "Age of Eagles" over two weekends.

Steve6421 May 2012 7:57 p.m. PST

Sept 7th – 10th.

Table : 8' x 6'
Scale: 15mm at 1:60 ratio

Multiple interlinked battles – roughly a Corps vs Corps per game.

Rules : Empire V (computer moderated). Should be able to get in 1-2 Corps sized engagements per day if all goes well. Might mean some long hours :)

Players: 1

I am hoping to have the tabletop webcam streaming working by then, so at least the battles can be streamed live as they happen.

Might possibly be able to open up some Divisional commands for remote access as well. Would be good to have players from the other side of the planet be able to join in over the interwebz and take command of a formation for a battle or 2.

Thats the plan anyway – Lot of work (and painting) to do between now and September.

Littlearmies11 Jun 2012 12:21 p.m. PST

LaSalle02 – any chance of seeing some work in progress on your terrain boards?

msoong11 Jun 2012 10:05 p.m. PST

We are breaking up the battle into 3x smaller battles: Utitza, Shevradino, & the Great Redoubt. Rules used will be Field of Battle (Piquet lite).

bluewillow12 Jun 2012 4:31 a.m. PST

ITGM about 2000 28mm figs, just the great redoubt and close environs

two days I suspect!

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