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30 Dec 2011 2:12 p.m. PST
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maciek7230 Dec 2011 2:06 p.m. PST

Volumes were written about colour of Bavarian coat in 18th century.
I wonder if there is any surviving example of Bavarian blue coat dating from the period of 1700-1715 ?

Personal logo Editor in Chief Bill The Editor of TMP Fezian30 Dec 2011 2:11 p.m. PST

Even if there were, the color probably isn't the same any more…

Supercilius Maximus30 Dec 2011 5:59 p.m. PST

There are some from the Napoleonic era, if that's any help:

link

Even in the WSS, the blue was almost certainly darker than the sky blue usually depicted by wargamers.

link

dbf167630 Dec 2011 6:21 p.m. PST

I have seen a contemporary painting of a garden party of the 1720s that shows a Bavarian soldier in a uniform that is is a color very close to the Uniformiology prints. If you go with that, you should be OK.

Bernhard Rauch30 Dec 2011 9:57 p.m. PST

Remember that before the age of mass production the color may have varied with each individual supplier. A unit could easily be dressed in a variety of shades of light blue. Consequently, any shade of lighter blue is probably ok.

maciek7231 Dec 2011 6:27 a.m. PST

Thanks, guys.
Unfortunatelly, Napoleonics, or even SYW coats were diferent in shade from WSS.
Also, uniformology plates were coloured without any reference to sources.

Some times ago, I also got (from fellow wargamer) this picture:


it shows a fresco in a church in Wilten, showing Bavarian army returning from Tyrol expedition. It was painted in the begining of 18th century.

Cardinal Hawkwood31 Dec 2011 7:32 a.m. PST

a bit grey…

IGWARG1 Supporting Member of TMP Fezian31 Dec 2011 7:39 a.m. PST

Looks like blue turning/fading after a campaign. Sleeping on the ground, marching under the rain and sun, crossing the rivers and mountains will do that.

NoLongerAMember31 Dec 2011 7:44 a.m. PST

From descriptions and extrapolations of pictures and fading etc, what you need is a pigment heavy, light blue. Sky Blue is a more wishy washy and less distinctively blue colour than they would appear to have been.

A cornflower blue is a better bet.

maciek7203 Jan 2012 4:11 a.m. PST

Reeanctors do it like that:

picture

(fourth figure is Prussian)

DHautpol09 Jan 2012 7:05 a.m. PST

I always have to revert to using enamels when painting Bavarians.

I have yet to find a blue to equal Humbrol's Matt 109 (once sold as WW1 German Light Blue); all the acrylic versions I've seen seem to be too bright.

Supercilius Maximus09 Jan 2012 11:54 a.m. PST

Try the French hussar light blue triad from Foundry – has just the right amount of grey to take out the brightness.

Hideous Blue from Coat D'Armes is also a good colour (much closer than their Bavarian Blue, ironically).

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