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redcoat29 Dec 2011 5:13 p.m. PST

Reading about the Peninsular War, I see that the British humourously called the French infantry drumrolls by the (onomatopoeia?) 'Old Trousers'.

What did the Pas de Charge sound like? Can anyone please supply a link to a soundfile?

Connard Sage29 Dec 2011 5:15 p.m. PST

Take your pick

link

Evzone30 Dec 2011 9:07 a.m. PST

Thank you for the link

redcoat01 Jan 2012 3:52 p.m. PST

Cheers, Connard.

Private Matter04 Jan 2012 11:56 a.m. PST

The links are good but I didn't hear any that did not include musical instruments along with the drums. Did battalions march with more than just drums? I would be curious to hear a couple minutes of just the drums in order to get a better feel for the cadence and the sound their opponents would hear as they advanced.

redcoat04 Jan 2012 3:16 p.m. PST

In his Osprey 'French Napoleonic Infantry Tactics' (p.56), Paddy Griffith wrote that "The ominous drum roll for ordering the 'charge' was rendered by the French as the rhythm 'PLAN rat a PLAN rat a PLAN (etc), which British witnesses famously remembered as 'OLD trousers, OLD trousers, OLD trousers (etc)'."

Is that one of the drum rolls that features in the links supplied by Connard? Music is not my strong point…

Ligniere Sponsoring Member of TMP04 Jan 2012 3:33 p.m. PST

Some time ago, I read it as sounding similar to the following;

The rum dumb,
The rum dumb
The rummer, dumb, dumb
Dummer, dummer, dumb, dumb

and repeat…..

npm

John Tyson04 Jan 2012 4:16 p.m. PST

YouTube link

Go to the 6:25 minute mark and listen to the French drummers beating the Pas de Charge. Bump, Durder Rump. Bump, Durder Rump. Etc.

It may be accurate. But it also sounds like the drum beat of the road march.

I always thought the Pas de Charge sounded like:
Bump, Bump, Bump-Budder-Rump. Bump, Bump, Bump-Budder-Rump. Etc.

1968billsfan06 Jan 2012 1:22 p.m. PST

Better to play during a wargame.

YouTube link

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