"Beute US Artillery?" Topic

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Friendlyfire	17 Dec 2011 11:48 a.m. PST
Hi everyone! I was wondering if the Germans ever made use of captured US artillery pieces and if there is any documentation like pictures? On many forums I have seen all types of foreign equipment being used by the Germans, including some captured US gear (the odd Sherman and such) but I cannot seem to find any references to the capture and or use of US artillery pieces by the Germans. Now I understand that there are a lot of problems to overcome when it comes to using captured artillery pieces, like ammunition supply and spare parts for the guns (and above all artillery guns are quite easily rendered unusable by their own crews when need be). Also the Germans were not really in the position to capture any US guns on a large scale but a few might have fallen in their hands. Maybe in Africa, Italy, Normandy or the Bulge? Since the Germans were pretty desperate at the end of the war and used everything they could scrounge against any previous owners, there must have been some German unit using captured US artillery pieces. Can someone tell me if there were units using beute US artillery pieces? Many thanks in advance! Jp "Friendlyfire"
Kaoschallenged	17 Dec 2011 1:06 p.m. PST
Looking at a list of "Beute Artillery" designations I didn't see anything on the list for either Light,Medium or Heavy guns. Robert
Cold Steel	17 Dec 2011 3:26 p.m. PST
The Germans captured very few US guns. Their only chances to capture a significant number would have been limited to Kaserine Pass and the Bulge. They did capture 12-18 supporting 105 mm howitzers when the 2 regiments of the 106th Infantry Division surrendered. Likewise, a handful of 90 mm AA guns were overrun. However, like most of the vehicles and small arms, the guns were disabled before the surrender. The fire controls and breach blocks were easily removed and smashed, hidden or dropped down a nearby well. Logistically, repairing and reusing them would have been a challenge when the Germans had trouble supplying ammo for their own weapons.
jowady	17 Dec 2011 4:59 p.m. PST
US Artillery units carried thermite grenades to "spike" their guns. One dropped down the barrel or placed on the breech ensured that all that was captured was scrap metal.
Kaoschallenged	17 Dec 2011 5:15 p.m. PST
Looks like they used British guns. Robert 7.5 cm FK 01 (n) (ex-norwegian M-01 Erhardt) 7.5 cm FK 02/26 (p) (ex polish vz 26, old russian M-00, relined) 7.5 cm FK 17 (t) (ex-czech M-28 Skoda) 7.5 cm FK 97 (p) (ex-polish M-97) 7.5 cm FK 231 (f) (ex-french M-97) 7.5 cm FK 232 (f) (ex french M-97, modified with split trail carriage) 7.5 cm FK 234 (b) (ex-belgian FK-16nA relined to 7.5) 7.5 cm FK 235 (b) (ex-belgian M-05 TR, Krupp design of 1905) 7.5 cm FK 236 (b) (ex-belgian FK-16 nA, relined to 7.5) 7.5 cm FK 237 (i) (ex-italian licence built Krupp M-06) 7.5 cm FK 243 (h) (ex-dutch M-02/04, licence built Krupp M-03) 7.5 cm FK 244 (i) (ex-italian M-11 Deport) 7.5 cm FK 245 (i) (ex-italian M-12, modified M-06) 7.5 cm FK 246 (n) (ex-norwegian M-01 Erhardt) 7.5 cm FK 247 (n) (ex-norwegian M-01) 7.5 cm FK 248 (i) (ex-italian M-37 Ansaldo) 7.5 cm FK 249 (j) (ex-Yugoslav Schneider Mle 12 gun) 7.5 cm lFH 255 (i) (ex-italian M-35) 7.62 cm FK 288 (r) (ex–russian M-42/ZIS-3) 7.62 cm FK 288/1 (r) (ex-russian M-41) 7.62 cm FK 290/1 (r) (ex russian M-02/06) 7.62 cm FK 295/1 (r) (ex-russian M-02/30, L/30) 7.62 cm FK 295/2 (r) (ex-russian M-02/30, L/40) 7.62 cm FK 296 (r) (ex-russian M-36, used also as PAK-36 and FK-36) 7.62 cm FK 297 (r) (ex-russian M-39, used also as PAK-39 and FK-39) 7.62 cm FK 305 (r) (ex-russian M-43) 7.62 cm FK 310 (r) (ex-russian M-02/30) 7.65 cm FK 05/08 (ö) (ex-austrian M-05/08 Skoda) 7.65 cm FK 17 (ö) and (t) (ex-austrian and ex-czech M-17 Skoda) 7.65 cm FK 18 (ö) (ex-austrian M-18 Skoda) 7.65 cm FK 300 (j) (ex-jugoslavian M-05/08 Skoda) 7.65 cm FK 303 (j) (ex-jugoslavian M-17 Skoda) 7.65 cm FK 304 (j) (ex-jugoslavian M-28 Skoda) 8.0 cm FK 18/17 (t) (ex-czech M-?) 8.0 cm FK 30 (t) (ex-czech M-30) 8.38 cm FK 271 (e) (ex-british QF 18 pr Mk I-II on carriageMk II PA) 8.38 cm FK 272 (e) (ex-british QF 18 pr Mk I-II on carriage ?) 8.38 cm FK 273 (e) (ex-british QF 18 pr Mk I-II on carriage ?) 8.38 cm FK 274 (e) (ex-british QF 18 pr Mk I-II on carriage ?) 8.38 cm FK 305 (r) (ex-russian 8.5 cm M-43g) 8.76 cm FK 280 (e) (ex-british QF 25 pr Mk II-III) 8.76 cm FK 281 (e) (ex-british QF 25 pr Mk I on carriage Mk IVp ) 8.76 cm FK 282 (e) (ex-british QF 25 pr Mk I on carriage Mk Vp) 10.0 cm lFH 14 (ö) (ex-austrian M-14 Skoda) 10.0 cm lFH 14/19 (p) and (t) (ex polish and ex-czech M-14/19 Skoda) 10.0 cm lFH 30 (t) (ex-czech M-30 Skoda) 10.0 cm lFH 315 (j) (ex-jugoslavian M-14 Skoda) 10.0 cm lFH-316 (j) (ex-jugoslavian M-14/19 Skoda) 10.0 cm lFH-317 (j) (ex-jugoslavian M-28 FE) 10.0 cm lFH 318 (g) (ex-greek M-14/19 Skoda) 10.5 cm FK 17 and 17/04 (ö) (ex-austrian M-04/17 or K-17) 10.5 cm FK 29 (p) (ex polish M-29, modified french M-13 Schneider) 10.5 cm K 35 (t) (ex-czech M-35) 10.5 cm FK 320 (i) (ex-italian M-15 Skoda) 10.5 cm lFH 322 (f) (ex-french M-?) 10.5 cm lFH 323 (f) (ex-french M-?) 10.5 cm lFH 324 (f) (ex-french M-34 Schneider) 10.5 cm lFH 325 (f) (ex-french M-35B) 10.5 cm lFH 326 (i) (ex-italian Obice 105/14 Ansaldo) 10.5 cm lFH 327 (b) (ex-belgian Obusier de 105 GP, ex-German lFH16) 10.5 cm FK-331 (f) (ex-french M-13 Schneider) 10.5 cm FK-332 (f) (ex-french M-36 Schneider) 10.5 cm FK 333 (b) (ex-belgian M-13, french M-13 Schneider) 10.5 cm FK 334(h) (ex-dutch 10.5 cm M-?) 10.5 cm FK 335 (h) (ex-dutch M-27 Bofors) 10.5 cm FK 336 (i) (ex-Italian Cannone da 105/40 Mod. 42) 10.5 cm FK 338 (i) (ex-italian M-13, french M-13) 10.5 cm K 339 (j) (ex-jugoslavian M-36) 10.5 cm K 348 (r) (ex-russian M-?) 10.5 cm K 349 (r) (ex-russian M-?) 10.5 cm K 350 (r) (ex-russian M-?) 10.7 cm K 352 (r) (ex-russian M-10/30) 10.7 cm K 353 (r) (ex-russian M-40) 11.4 cm lFH 361 (e) (ex-british QF 4.5 inch, MkII) 11.4 cm K 365 (e) (ex-british BL 4.5 inch gun Mk II 11.5 cm lFH 362 (r) (ex-russian M-?, british QF 4.5 inch, MkII) 12.0 cm K 370 (b) (ex-belgian canon de 120 L m-31) 12.0 cm lFH 373 (h) (ex-dutch 12 cm L14 Bofors) 12.0 cm lFH 375 (n) (ex-norwegian 12 cm M 09 Rheinmetall) 12.0 cm lFH 376 (n) (ex-norwegian 12 cm M 13 Kongsberg) 12.2 cm sFH 385 (r) (ex-russian M-09/30) 12.2 cm sFH 386 (r) (ex-russian M-09/30g) 12.2 cm sFH 387 (r) (ex-russian M-09/30g) 12.2 cm sFH 388 (r) (ex-russian M-10/30) 12.2 cm K 390/1 (r) (ex-russian M-31) 12.2 cm K 390/2 (r) (ex-russian M-31/37) 12.2 cm sFH 396 (r) (ex-russian M-3 12.7 cm K 382 (e) (ex-british BL 60 pr Mk II) FK: Feldkanone (field gun) lFH: leichter Feldhaubitze (light field howitzer) sK: Schwere Kanone (heavy gun) K: Kanone (Gun) 14.5 cm K 405 (f) (ex-french Canon de 145 L M-16 Saint Chamond) 15.0 cm sFH 14 (ö) and (t) (ex-czech and ex-austrian M-14 Skoda) 15.0 cm sFH 15 (t) and (ö) (ex-czech and ex-austrian M-15 Skoda) 15.0 cm K 15/16 (t) (ex-czech M-15/16 Skoda) 15.0 cm sFH 25 (t) (ex-czech M-25 Skoda) 15.0 cm sFH 37 (t) (ex-czech M-37 Skoda) 15.0 cm sFH 400 (i) (ex-italian Obice da 149/12 M-14 Skoda) 15.0 cm sFH 401 (i) (ex italian Obice da 149/13 Skoda) 15.0 cm sFH 402 (j) (ex-jugoslavian M-36 S, Skoda K-1) 15.0 cm K 403 (j) (ex-jugoslavian M-28 Skoda) 15.0 cm sFH 404 (i) (ex italian Obice da 149/14 M-37) 15.0 cm sFH 406 (h) (ex-dutch sFH-13, German War reparations WW 1) 15.0 cm K 408 (i) (ex-italian Canone da 149/40 M-35) 15.0 cm sFH 409 (b) (ex-belgian sFH-13, German War reparations WW 1) 15.0 cm K 410 (i) (ex-italian Canone da 152/37, Skoda ) 15.0 cm K 429 (b) (ex-belgian K-16, German War reparations WW 1) 15.0 cm K 461 (d) (ex-danish M-29 L/22 S, french Obusier M-29) 15.2 cm sFH 407 (h) (ex-dutch Howitzer 6", british BL 6 inch MK I) 15.2 cm sFH 410 (b) (ex-belgian Obusier de 6", british BL 6 inch MK I) 15.2 cm sFH 412 (e) and (i) (ex-british BL 6" Mk I and ex-italian Obice da 152/13) 15.2 cm K 433/1 (r) (ex-russian M-37 or ML-20) 15.2 cm K 433/2 (r) (ex-russian M-10/34) 15.2 cm K 435 (r) (ex-russian M-10/30) 15.2 cm K 438 (r) (ex-russian M-10/30) 15.2 cm K 440 (r) (ex-russian M-35 or BR-2) 15.2 cm sFH 443 (r) (ex-russian M-38 or M-10) 15.2 cm sFH 445 (r) (ex-russian M-09/30) 15.2 cm sFH 446 (r) (ex-russian M-10/30) 15.2 cm sFH 449 (r) (ex-russian M-17 Schneider, rebored to 15.2 cm) 15.5 cm sFH 17 (p) (ex-polish M-17, french Canon de 155 C M-17) 15.5 cm sFH 413 (b) (ex-belgian Obusier de 155, french Canon de 155 C M-17) 15.5 cm sFH 414 (f) and (i) (ex-french Canon de 155 C M-17 and ex-italian Canone da 155/14) 15.5 cm sFH 415 (f) (ex-french Canon de 155 C M-15 Saint Chamond) 15.5 cm K 416 (f) and (b) (ex-french Canon de 155 L M-17 Schneider) 15.5 cm K 417 (f) (ex-french Canon de 155 GPF-CA) 15.5 cm K 418 (f) (ex-french Canon de 155 GPF) 15.5 cm K 419 (f) (ex-french Canon de 155 GPF-Touzzard) 15.5 cm K 420 (f) and (i) (ex-french and ex-italian Canon de 155 L M-16 Saint Chamond) 15.5 cm K 422 (f) (ex-french Canon de 155 L M-77/14 Schneider) 15.5 cm K 424 (f) (ex-french Canon de 155 L M-32 Schneider) 15.5 cm K 425 (f) (ex-french Canon de 155 L M-18 Schneider) 15.5 cm K 431 (b) (ex-belgian, french Canon de 155 L M-17 Schneider) 15.5 cm K 432 (b) (ex-belgian canon de 155 L M-24) 15.5 cm K 469 (d) (ex-danish model M-29 L/22 S, rebored to 15.5 cm) 20.3 cm H 503 (r) (ex-russian M-31 or B-4) 21.0 cm Mrs 18 (t) (ex-czech M-1 21.0 cm Mrs 18/19 (t) (ex czech Mrs-18/19, mobile version of the Mrs-1 21.0 cm H 520 (i) (ex-italian Obice da 210/22, M-35) 21.0 cm K 521 (r) (ex-russian BR-17, Skoda built M-39) 22.0 cm Mörser 530 (b) (Mortier de 220 TR M 16 Schneider) 22.0 cm Mörser 531 (f) (Mortier de 220 M 16 Schneider) 22.0 cm K-532 (f) (Canon de 220 L M 17 Schneider) 22.0 cm Mörser 538 (j) and (p) (220 M 28 Skoda) 23.4 cm H 545 (b) (BL 9.2 in Howitzer MkII) 23.4 cm H 546 (e) (BL 9.2 in Howitzer MkII) 24.0 cm K 556 (f) (Canon de 240 L M 84/17 St Chamond) 24.0 cm K 559 (r) 24.0 cm K 564 (r) 24 cm Kanone (t) (First produced in 1916, continues in Czech service after WW 1) 28.0 cm H 601 (f) (Mortier de 280 M 14/16 Schneider) 28.0 cm H 602 (f) 28.0 cm H 607 (r) 30.5 cm H 622 (r) 30.5 cm H 623 (r) 30.5 cm H 638 (t) and (j) (Produced in 1916, kept in service by czech and yugoslavian armies) 30.5 cm H 639 (j) (305 mm M 11/30 Skoda) 42.0 Haubitze (t) (42 cm Hofnice M 17 Skoda, used in Sevastopol siege in 1942) K: Kanone (Gun) SK: Schiffs Kanone (Naval Gun) H: Haubitze (Howitzer) sFH: schwere Feld Haubitze (Heavy Field Howitzer) link

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