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AlexanderIII Inactive Member07 Dec 2011 10:12 p.m. PST

I managed to find one source for what the Virginia flag
link

but I have no idea what the other state flags might have looked like?

New Jersey
Connecticut
New York
Pennsylvania
New Hampshire
etc.

I would guess that the state flags probably all resembled the Virginia flag with white field and state abbreviation within the green wreath in center and Union Jack on the top corner.

Any flag gurus out there?

teboj17 Supporting Member of TMP08 Dec 2011 4:09 a.m. PST
Sundance08 Dec 2011 5:25 a.m. PST

In the FIW there were no states. They were colonies.

Personal logo John the OFM Supporting Member of TMP08 Dec 2011 7:38 a.m. PST

Here is a good site for FIW and AWI flags.
fifedrum.org/crfd/BD_1R.htm

A Provincial Regiment would have followed the Warrant then in place.
Basically, the Regimental Colour would have the field in the facing color and the Union in the upper staff corner, with the exception that red and white facing regiments would have a white field, BUT with a red cross of St. George.
For that reason I do not agree with the Wikipedia article. All the sources I have seen for the Va Regiment had a white field with the red cross. Click on any white facing regiment, like the 43rd, to see.

Here is an example of a red facing Loyalist regiment from the AWI, Butler's Rangers, showing this rule applied.

picture

Also, see
link

Avoid Warflag. They are careless and make things up.

Finally, I would like to add that the only time one would see flags for Provincial units, if they existed at all, would be in a parade.
Most of the Provincial regiments never had any battles in which a flag would have been carried,

AlexanderIII Inactive Member08 Dec 2011 8:20 a.m. PST

Sundance – yes I meant colonies :-)

Thanks all for the links. Thanks JOhn for the clarification.

Oh I wish I had time machine and travelled back and grab some provincial flags for study today

Personal logo John the OFM Supporting Member of TMP08 Dec 2011 8:26 a.m. PST

You're welcome.

BTW, uniforms for the New York Provincial units are sometimes described as "drab". I would not venture to propose a flag based on that! Maybe in that case, I WOULD "make it up". grin

Personal logo John the OFM Supporting Member of TMP08 Dec 2011 5:34 p.m. PST

Oh I wish I had time machine and travelled back and grab some provincial flags for study today

Just take your cellphone.
Zap back to, oh Monmouth or Trenton, snap a few pics, hurry back and post them on TMP.
No one will believe you, though.

Personal logo Editor in Chief Bill The Editor of TMP Fezian28 Oct 2017 6:24 a.m. PST

Hard to get a good signal back then…

Winston Smith Supporting Member of TMP28 Oct 2017 7:55 a.m. PST

So few cell towers.

historygamer28 Oct 2017 4:39 p.m. PST

So here's a question on F&I Provincial flags since colours belonged to the colonel (he paid for them, he owned them) in the British army, would the same apply to Provincial units, or did they belong to the Governor or colony?

So as an example, Washington resigned his commission as colonel of the 1st VA in late 1759. Did he keep the regiment's colours or did Byrd buy them from him upon assuming that commission? That is, if Washington even paid for them in the first place.

historygamer29 Oct 2017 4:49 a.m. PST

Sorry, typo. Washington resigned in 1758.

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