"40K: Does Chaos Ultimately Win?" Topic

In the struggle against Chaos, which side ultimately wins?

No one. It is an eternal struggle, GW will see to it since it is essentially the only arms supplier and has no incentive to resolve the conflict.

Entropy.

GW

Nope.

The Tyranids win.

Well since Chaos won the Horus Heresy…

Thing about it is that the Traitor Legions, Lost & Damned, etc are all pawns in the Chaos God's game, and they already won. It does not matter if Abbaddon's 13 Black Crusades are all ultimately failures. As long as he is spreading rage, entropy, discontent, and hopelessness, the Chaos gods win.

Damon.

The Orks and their spores will win in the end.After all they are the only bad guys that are everywhere fighting everyone.

We are everywhere…

Define "Win".

Humanity eventually ascends via the Sensei
to Star Child Status,
leaving behind all Matter and Flesh as playthings.
Chaos exists as mere Birth Pangs….

..which is, of course; their only purpose

Tyranids ultimately win.

Reasons?

According to the Stark Report, each Hive fleet came from a different direction. So, a different GALAXY entirely each time. Meaning they've consumed multiple galaxies around the Milky Way Galaxy. Speculation is that each tendril faced, no matter how large up to that point…. is insignificant compared to the true main hive fleets that will be arriving. In addition, it'll all be arriving in less than 100 years. To meet the threat, they'd have to raise Imperial Guard recruitment rates to 500% on every single world, meaning that by the time of arrival, every imperial citizen would be declared a soldier before they're even born. I'd imagine that Space Marine Chapters would finally have to set aside the Codex Astartes and recruit en-masse, by which time they finally do though, it would be much too late and any marines recruited would be mere initiates.

It's also likely that within that time frame, the Emperor will finally die and his psychic force will no longer hold back the warp, allowing chaos to flow freely from the immaterial world they dwell in. Between them, the Orks, the Tau and the Tyranids, the human race would be pretty well screwed when the 40K universe's calender hits the dawn of the 42nd millenia.

In the dark days of the 42nd millenium…. there is only..BY THE EMPERAH THEY'RE EVERYWH----AAAAAAAAARRRRRGH.

No.

Oh come on now. We all know that the Tau win.

In anticipation of "but Tau suck at close combat!"

Yes. True. Let me know when you get that close… alive.

For the Greater Good

Whenever I have played 40K, it was a tie between tedium and obnoxiousness.

Tyranids consume it all.

Bah, The Jokaero FTW.

Chaos has a problem getting organized, so no.

Isn't the universe in a constant state of Chaos, so it would be in everyones best interest for things to continue as they are?

Tyrannids eat everything except the Necrons who blast the Tyrannids to pieces. But then the Necrons are defeated by the Squat/Zoat/Jokaero alliance. Peace in the universe.

If the tyranids eat everything but the Necrons where does this supposed Squat/Zoat/Jokaero alliance come from?
But yeah, Tyranids wouldn't be able to absorb the Necrons… what are Necrons after? I'm not up on them… could the two peacefully coexist once the other annoying species are out of the way?

roaches

The longer a war goes on the more you become like your enemy…

So, everyone wins! And loses.

To my opinion, War IS Chaos.

If war is to last forever, then Chaos wins.

I doubt it will be Humanity, in any case.

With the Orks not providing beacons to most tyranids, their worlds may largely be spared the strip mining. Similar conditions apply to the Necrons.

Unless the Eldar heal (or cauterize) their racial divisions and retreat into the webway, the Tyranids will eventually find and eat all of them. The last will be trapped in their soul gems until those, too, are recycled by the Tyranids. What the Tyranids don't eat Slaanesh will.

The Tau will find that the humans they have absorbed will be their doom, as Chaos and the Tyranids will find them through the tasty psychic emanations of humanity. The genetic adaption capabilities of the Kroot will either betray they to the Tyranids or be found wanting in the face of the Devourers. Either way, Tau space gets eaten.

The Squats are already well below critical mass for racial survival. Sorry guys.

As all but a few Ork and Necron havens are devoured behind them, the Tyranids will focus on the biggest beacon left: the Eye of Terror. What will emerge from that war, thousands of years later, will either be another Warp entity (the embodiment of Hunger), or a barely recognized Tyranid species that has met the Warp and absorbed it, adapted it, and ultimately made it theirs. Either way, the next galaxy in line is doomed.

With no conflict to feed on, Khorne will languish. With the Eldar either vastly reduced or made extinct, Slaanesh will fade. Nothing much will change, reducing the schemes of Tzeentch to mere daydreams, and diseases will return to merely killing the weak instead of being endured for the sake of endurance, giving Nurgle no decay to feed from.

Eventually the Orks will begin the process of reviving the galaxy through their tirelessly portable ecosystem, worlds that had no aura to attract the devourers will breed up new intelligences, and the galaxy will move on, somewhat more shabby than before. Until then, the Necrons will return to their slumbers.

---------------------SPOILER ALERT-------------------

If you read the Horus Heresy series, in particular the Legion book… the Imperium. It was foretold to Alpharius, the Primarch of the Alpha Legion that one of two things can only happen:

1. The Emperor dies and Chaos is eliminated at the end

or

2. The Emperor lives and Chaos rules in the long run

Alpharius was furious and said he'd NEVER let the Emperor die because he was his beloved Father. So he was told then he must choose wisely and contemplate the future. He said he was 'committed'. So we know the Emperor dies (or does he?) so that means that Chaos will meet its end. Of course we know in 40k that supposedly the Alpha Legion is bad but…. is it really? Are they just trying to help Chaos get wiped out, stab them in the back for being traitors and sacrificing the Emperor so man may live? Strangely or not, the Alpha Legion is in the 40k time frame the MOST secretive Legion of all. What are they hiding? Are they good? We know they do NOT cavort with demons so… the mystery will continue until GW wants to change it or goes bankrupt.

Don

actionfront.blogspot.com

"Who ever saw a dead cavalryman?"

Orks win, of course. Then squabble and fight each other for eternity.

It's all a moot point -- the galaxy will end in the year 42,012.

I thought is was known that the Emperor is a un-ascended Chaos God. Or has that been written out of the fluff.

Or another view of reductionist rules and background revision it will all decent to a game of checkers that endlessly for the best out of infinity….

Charlie Sheen

You're trying to make sense of this setting?
-Kle.

I suspect Chaos ultimately wins and in a way has already won. Chaos has what it wants, conflict, change, decay, corruption. The process needs to continue, but never actually consume everything.

The chaos gods have emmense power, but they don't use it because they don't want to. They give their followers just enough power to make a mess, but not enough to tip the balance.

I can't believe the ultimate planner, Tzeench isn't prepared to deal with the Tyrannids, if they haven't already been incorporated into his schemes.

as humans die out the chaos powers will lose power and fall before the Tyrannids.

The side that uses finecast bullets will win. Becuz.

The Squats win in the end.

Sneakly little s got to everyone to think that they are dead.

The bugs win out for the reasons already mentioned.

Does the most sillful player always win?

GDN, no, the richest player always wins. If he doesn't GW issue a new Codex.

HA HA, Honesty at last. Good show Buff Orpington!