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Personal logo MrHarold Sponsoring Member of TMP28 Nov 2011 10:49 p.m. PST

Hi all,

I was wondering, does anyone know of at 15mm scale (19 to 20mm diameter base) that has been sculpted?

Like, grating, spaceship floors, etc. I know they have them for 28mm (obviously, and more)… but i've never seen anything for 15mm.

I have no problem making bases, but it would be convenient. Although, my current bases cost 1 penny each…

anyways…

clkeagle29 Nov 2011 4:39 a.m. PST

The reason we haven't seen any yet is because of the pre-sculpted blobs/discs that already come on the figures. Very few gamers take the time to dremel these away… without doing that, there isn't any feasible way to have pre-sculpted bases.

I really like what Spacejacker did here: link

An easy idea I thought of for deck grating was gluing a faucet aerator screen onto the top of a penny or washer. But that would still cost about $.89 per base, and require the extra preparation time for the mini.

-Chris K.

Komorigumo29 Nov 2011 6:51 a.m. PST

I'd wager another reason why we haven't seen any is because different manufacturers base their figures differently. Unlike their larger 28mm siblings, 15mm figures do not have a uniform slotta to stick into a base. In order to be comprehensive, the scenic base would need to have a recess large enough for some of the larger figures, while still retaining enough real-estate (base-estate?) around the recess for said scenery.

Battlefront for example, has scenic bases for Flames of War. But the Battlefront figures all have the same base, so mixing and matching isn't an issue.

clkeagle29 Nov 2011 7:33 a.m. PST

different manufacturers base their figures differently

Even different sculptors working for the same manufacturer aren't always consistent. PF's figures, for example, usually have thicker base-blobs (is there an industry term for that bit?), while Martin Baker's are quite thin. Rebel Minis sells figures from both sculptors. And neither are consistently shaped – usually just enough to get under the figure's feet.

Whoever sculpts for GZG and Micropanzer, on the other hand, uses a uniform disc at the base of each figure. And don't get me started on those weird dome-shaped bits under Blue Moon figures. :)

-Chris K.

McWong7329 Nov 2011 6:30 p.m. PST

Old Crow I believe has a range of lipped round bases for 15mm that I have used for basing Khurusan. It allows me to add scenery to the bases easily and still have a neat look at the end.

I haven't a link, but I heartily reccomend these as an option.

Battle Miniatures Emporium29 Nov 2011 10:07 p.m. PST

I use a set of brass washers ranging from 1/4 of an inch to 1 inch for my TOMORROW BLACK models.

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The detail of this first Murg Imp base is beyond tiny, and it was very fun to make.

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Several of my bases will have the same level of detailing as this Biosect Fly base, in my future releases.

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I see no good reason whatsoever for 15MM Figures/Bases to be less detailed than larger models.

Nope…
grin

PF 200929 Nov 2011 11:32 p.m. PST

Mr Harold: I've tried to make a few ones a couple of months ago. I posted them on my blog.

Psyckosama30 Nov 2011 2:39 a.m. PST

No offense, dude, but those massive bases on your figures are going to drive up prices and make it really difficult to integrate them into preexisting armies.

AVAMANGO30 Nov 2011 2:52 a.m. PST

I was going to mention the extra cost the sculptor would charge the company who would in turn have to add it to the sale price of the miniature but Psyckosama got in there first, im also a great beliver that a well finished base makes the miniature but in 15mm unless it was for a limited edition show piece i really dont see the point, i will happily do my own scenic bases with my own add ons if i require them.

SpaceJacker30 Nov 2011 4:19 a.m. PST

Chris has nailed it. Almost all 15mm figs have a disc base (probably by necessity) that is hard to remove. Assuming a 20mm round base, there usually isn't much room left for scenic elements once the figure is in place.

15mm legs aren't thick enough to pin effectively, so while I would LOVE some starship interior bases, it's just an unpleasant amount of work to mount a figure onto one.

The ones I did took ages, and in retrospect, I don't think they look good enough to warrant the effort.

ThorLongus30 Nov 2011 5:02 a.m. PST

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i cut out a few discs from platformer/hexagon terrain sets
then trim the integral base away from figure…then mount on washer

Personal logo MrHarold Sponsoring Member of TMP30 Nov 2011 3:16 p.m. PST

PF 2009: Just saw those… look great, just what I was thinking… maybe i'll make some 3d models up of my own and get them printed. I don't actually think it'd be too expensive…hmm

Battle Miniatures Emporium: Those are all awesome.

I am aware of the extra work… but I guess I don't mind too much, usually i'm doing between 1-15 at a time… don't do large armies…

PF 200930 Nov 2011 3:30 p.m. PST

Mr Harold:Thank you.

About pinning and all that, my idea was to print my bases, cast them in metal and then sculpt miniatures on them. This way, no extra cost/work for the consumers, "standard" bases for the squad and since the bases would not really be thicker than usual bases, people not interested in them could just add some flock on them as usual.

About scenic bases like BME did, I'll all for it.

Personal logo MrHarold Sponsoring Member of TMP30 Nov 2011 3:31 p.m. PST

That's cool… makes sense…

Cacique Caribe30 Nov 2011 6:10 p.m. PST

MrHarold: "I was wondering, does anyone know of at 15mm scale (19 to 20mm diameter base) that has been sculpted? Like, grating, spaceship floors, etc."

I guess that a lot of that depends on what your existing floors look like. Have any examples of the surfaces of your floors (where they will be going through)?

Thanks,

Dan

Personal logo MrHarold Sponsoring Member of TMP30 Nov 2011 6:53 p.m. PST

Hmm… I would think along the line of diamond plating, grates, etc.

Or maybe with a sidewalk part on it?

Cacique Caribe30 Nov 2011 7:01 p.m. PST

Ok, this is just a 12-step idea that occurred to me:

1) As has been hinted above, look at that floor style and see if an existing styrene tile floor (Evergreen, Plastruct, etc.) has that general look already. Here's an example of one of those tile floor sheets:

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2) In your selection process, make sure to pick out the thinnest sheets possible with the tile style you decided to use.
EDIT – If you prefer a floor surface with grating instead of tile, get to the craft store and look for 14-mesh granny grating (plastic canvas) instead:
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I used the 16-mesh plastic canvas (bigger holes) for my 30mm Aliens a while back:
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In hindsight, I found out that if you choose a lighter color of plastic canvas, it will be easier to trace outlines on the surface.

3) Go to your local craft store and look for:

a) Circular cardstock hole punches that are slightly bigger than the diameter you need for your existing washers, the more rugged the hole puncher the better. Here's a light duty example:

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b) Also, get hold of a rectangular hole punch that will be roughly the size of the cast-on bases that come with your figures. Again, pick the most heavy-duty one you can find. Here's an example of one of those rectangular punches:

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4) Cut as many circular holes as you can out of the styrene sheet.

5) Position the circular piece of styene over your washer or base of choice. Then sit your figure where you want it to be on that circle.

6) With a pencil, outline the area covered by the cast-on figure base. Then, put the rectangular punch over that outline, and punch a rectangular hole within that outline*. If you keep each styrene tile circle next to its corresponding figure during the entire process, you should be able to do an assembly line of sorts. You can even number the underside of the figure and the underside of the styrene tile circle to make sure they don't get separated.

7) The key is to cut out as little of the styrene as possible. So, my suggestion is that, if the outline drawn is bigger than the rectangular punch size, trim or sand the edges of the cast-figure base to fit the rectangular hole. Otherwise, you will have to continue cutting the styrene outside of the rectangle and that will make you lose a lot of the tile surface effect. Of course, there will be times when you will have to expand the hole made by the rectangular punch.

8) When ready to glue the figure to the washer, go ahead and place the tile circle over that and, with a thin marker, mark where the figure will sit on the washer. Then fix the figure in place with a thin layer of GreenStuff or something else that will allow you to trim excess after it sets. Remove excess when dry.

9) When that is done, take the styrene tile circle and, with a hobby knife cut a line from the rectangular hole to the outer diameter, following the indentations of one of the lines of tiles. If you choose not to do that, you can make the cut irregular in a place where you would like a floor crack to exist.

10) Finally, place over the surface of the washer a thin layer of GreenStuff or your putty of choice. Carefully slide the styrene circle so it fits snugly around the cast-on base of the figure. With your fingers or a thin ruler, press down to either side of the figure, until you sink it down as level as possible.

11) When that sets, trim the excess putty that comes out of the hole and whatever excess there might be around the washer.

12) With a light file, sand around the base to make sure that the tile circle does not extend beyond the diameter of the washer.

What do you think?

Thanks,

Dan
* If you can't find a rectangular hole punch, you can use a heavy duty version of the small circular hole punches kids use in school, and make two holes instead within the area you outlined with the pencil. Trim the inside of the hole as needed, but try to keep from expanding the hole too much.

Battle Miniatures Emporium30 Nov 2011 8:31 p.m. PST

Thank you for the compliments Bros.
grin

I have had good results with other blob bases on typical 15's, by simply taking a good pair of needle nosed pliers and gripping the little blobs until they are crushed flat. I can then attach them to my brass washers with putty and sculpt my details over the flattened base.

You have to have a good tool and/or strong grip to do this well, but it does work for me.
The base will be thine, and you can cut away unwanted metal easily once you have flattened it out.

Cacique Caribe28 Dec 2011 7:59 p.m. PST

This looks cool:

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Dan

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