"Defiance Games Plastic SF Marines Up for Order" Topic

It's good to see there is progress being made but I'm still forwarding a guess the Marines won't start shipping this month.

(Also next week we'll reveal the little "thank you" bonus plastic figure that every pre-order will receive!

Oooh? a Mantic Corporation trooper would be a nice surprise! or maybe one of those nice EM4 Marines? A GW Cadian? I bet everyone can hardly wait to find out after, what. 4 months?

No wait, I have it – it's Easter next month – a 'Kinder Suprise' toy, it's gotta be! You lucky people!

Pat

Well yes, that doesn't indicate it's a 28mm scifi miniature or indeed even a wargaming figure of any sort (-:)

Seriously, I don't see it could make sense to include anything else except one of their Bug models. Makes the first fix free and that's something they might actually have on hand once the Marines come out.

link hunter – slightly different, the greens were shown for that, Andy was honest all the way through, and he has a proven track record – what is Tony's? That's the point, people are ok with delays, if people are upfront and not all smoke and mirrors. Also, Andy produces very good sculpts and figures. I guess he got more 'slack' for all of those reasons. Feel free to blame Frothers though. I guess they are much more discerning than over here.

Whoa! I've not looked here for a while, 7 pages!

In unrelated news, there's a thread here TMP link if Tony wants to find another good toolmaker to speed the production along.

no, not missing the point. this is mostly a witch-hunt by very small section of people mostly from another forum.

I love this. People have legitimate issues and Tony just deflects all criticism of his shenanigans onto a group of people he thinks are the pariahs of the miniatures wargaming community. Because nobody else coupld possibly find all these goings on wrong in any way.
Well, if it helps him sleep better at night…

But then they will be metal castings, no? Wasn't the whole point that these would be inexpensive plastic sets like those the Perrys and GW put out?

It's resin, it contains high impact polystyrene but is very much a resin. I have almost exactly the same material minis from TrollForged, they're very good quality but they're not the "hard plastic" that sets are normally made from IE they don't glue with polystyrene cement.

Resin? Resin?
What in carnation is going on here?
I hope they are still marines at least!
…just…want…product… (or do I?…. waiting for reviews ….of product…)
Is this all a big publicity stunt?

Hey, as long as I can get marines and bugs in 28mm at around 1-2 USD each, I am a happy camper. I use 15mm for 'STARSHIP TROOPERS' type games (massive outdoor assaults with tunneling bugs vs. uber-power armor elites), but these will be great for my 'not SPACEHULK (AlIens)' 28mm bug-hunt/gun-crawl game.
…Still hoping for the best…

Did Black Scorpion move to the same material that Mantic and TrollForged are using? Whatever they use does seem to produce very good results judging by all of a one model I happened to get (they were kind enough to send me a new plastic resin casting to replace a metal one that had gone OOP during a sale).

Dear LH

1. I'm a fairly recent member of the "other forum" (Frothers) but I've been a member here for an awful lot longer – check please.

2. Whatever has happened on another forum in relation to another manufacturer has little or no relevance to the DG situation. I certainly have not said Heresy is great and DG are ****, why bring that up? Actually, that particular comparison does however have some relevance because as far as I'm aware, Heresy has a proven track record of delivering their product usually on time and at a high quality. If there have been issues with a product, then at worse this is a single instance. DG have no such record of delivery or quality. They have to date produced nothing but vapourware and press releases.

The only comment I made was in relation to the Rendera "backlog" which frankly seems to be another poor excuse for DGs business model. As this seems to be the reason given for DGs choice of process & tooling, could someone please confirm if DG ever asked Rendera, or anyone else in the actual business if they had a backlog, and how big this was, or is this an assumption?

There's a lot of posturing going on here and at other forums, but that can't disguise the fact that DG are not delivering.

I have the Mantic minis -they're great but I'm not overkeen on the material. It's quite hard and unforgiving when removing mould lines etc.

You know, those Mantic troopers may do the job…. still need affordable 28mm xeno/bugs, however…

I am waiting for 'Grim Cargo' to be released, so I will get a look at the Mantic troopers then…

…and, no, we are not gonna let this thread die…

So, who has received their figures? Close-up pictures? Reviews?

The silence is deafening.

billthecat 28 Mar 2012 11:50 a.m. PST

You know, those Mantic troopers may do the job…

I was rather disappointed with the Rangers, based on the pix. They seem to have "the old long arms, short legs problem" (unfortunately hardly unknown in scifi miniatures). I don't think I'll be getting those after all.

Ah, the old Young Young ones stake/steak/vegetarian sausage gag.

We sell 24 future USMC for $29.95 USD USD. That works out to $1.25 USD USD per figure. Or you can buy those Cadians for $2.80 USD USD per figure.

Well, given that the Cadians haven't been plagued by over 4 months worth of problems since people were allowed to "Order" them, I'll take the $2.80 USD per unit of product I know I'll see sometime this year…..

Sorry to see that Defiance decided to pick what is turning out to be an incompetent contractor to do their tooling and casting.

I can also buy Mantic Corporation Marines at $1.8 USD and EM-4 plastic "Marines" at $1.60 USD a piece (or at $0.80 USD a piece if I don't want the metal replacement arms or at any price between if I get cheaper replacement arms or only put replacement arms on some figs – not all need them necessarily). And in this case, it means exactly what it says – not that they are in stock for preorder.

Of course, that is not to say once the DG Marines do come out they'll be cheaper than most of the competition. I think they actually may be a bit of a hit. In the future.

Of course, that is not to say once the DG Marines do come out they'll be cheaper than most of the competition. I think they actually may be a bit of a hit. In the future.

The Future. You never really get there, do you…

…but isn't the anticipation the best part?

So, if you pre-ordered based on

Estimated to ship in March!

would you be upset that your shipping notice had not gone out yet?

Do you think that estimate will be updated soon?

Maybe the new text will read:

Estimated to ship in The Future!

By the time they come out will they be listed as SF or Historical?

Pat

7 pages on TMP, 36 pages on Lead Adventure and a whopping 178 pages on Frothers.

But nary a peep on any of them from Defiance Games themselves.

Why would they bother? The Frothers thread has been openly hostile, the Lead Adventures one isn't much better, and this one is, well, kinda the little brother of those two (a lot of the same user names between all three).

Smart people refrain from talking to an openly hostile audience.

Then again the 'openly hostile audience' are Defiance Games customers, or rather potential customers, or maybe were perhaps potential customers once upon a time but now….

Shouldn't people be making April's Fools jokes about getting their minis today?

Shouldn't people be making April's Fools jokes about getting their minis today?

Extra! Extra! Read all about it!

Defiance Games bought by Wargames Factory.

joke ;-)

As a side note, if I buy Defiance Game of Wargames Factory products I won't order directly, I'll go through a trusted third party that carries the manufacturer… They both have interesting products, but I've come to realize that companies that make good/interesting products don't necessarily have nice people running it, and that nice folks don't necessarily have good/interesting products or a good business sense. If someone is nice, they are nice, not a reason to buy products. If someone produces good/interesting products, I don't care if they are nice.

Happy April everyone.

So, who has received their figures? Close-up pictures? Reviews?

Pat

"Hi David- just put 3 test frames into a pack for you and shipped them off."
I'll let you know when they arrive. I believe something is 'happening' today all being well….

Smart people refrain from talking to an openly hostile audience.

And yet Mr Gaulding, Self Appointed PR Guy, answers them all. What category is he putting himself into?

just put 3 test frames

test frames? so no 'final production' yet?

Pat

test frames are for me to review and paint…not part of a pre-order.

"Why would they bother?"

Says their unofficially-official PR rep. Obviously, "they" (you) do bother.
Richard, do you get paid for all the work you do for these guys? Because you really get a lot of the backlash for their (in)activity, but somehow I have the feeling you don't get any compensation for it and you should.
Not that Tony is known for paying his bills…

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"Says their unofficially-official PR rep. Obviously, "they" (you) do bother.
Richard, do you get paid for all the work you do for these guys? Because you really get a lot of the backlash for their (in)activity, but somehow I have the feeling you don't get any compensation for it and you should.
Not that Tony is known for paying his bills…"
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Nope. Complete volunteer. I suppose if I asked for it, or pushed for more info, I'd get it (and probably should, at least for the info bit), but the truth is that I find all this backlash fascinating, in both a morbid and academic sense. You see, I'm currently finishing up a Psych degree, emphasis on social science, and all the back-and-forth is very, very educational. Not something I'd try to write a paper on, obviously, since I'm an active participant, but interesting nonetheless.

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I don't think there is an easier going less hostile forum than LAF in existence. If they start making comments then there is definitely something wrong!
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RPGnet's got a good, well-moderated forum, where the mods strictly do not tolerate any of the sort of and name calling that goes on in any of the Defiance threads (though, oddly enough, you can curse without getting bleeped). However, as the primary focus is not miniatures, and since they strictly segregate ads to a sub-forum, it'd be hard to get a real conversation going. I suppose I could broach the topic in their Other Gaming section, but I'd feel a bit disingenuous.

As a side note, Defiance doesn't bother. Y'all might not have noticed, but, aside from their own site and Facebook, and a handful of posts here, Tony, speaking on behalf of Defiance Games, has been very quiet, and really has NOT been exorting us "fanbois" to go spread the word or whatever. Their focus really has been on just getting the product out the door. I'm just doing this because, as I said, it interests me, and because there really is some good information to be gained from the feedback. Frothers, for instance, despite being a hotbed of grouches, has plenty of people who know their stuff and who really, really SHOULD be listened to . . . even if you ultimately don't take their advice.

You see, I'm currently finishing up a Psych degree

Yeah, your posts where you try to inject some psychological analysis do scream 'undergrad'.

As a side note, Defiance doesn't bother.

That is an understatement.

Still, send them a bill. You've certainly earned it, taking Tony's heat for him.

I bet Defiance are really glad you are "helping" them.

I would be willing to bet he has been told to chill out more than once.

CPT Jake 30 Mar 2012 4:47 a.m. PST:

The Future. You never really get there, do you…

Au contraire, you've been there already for every tomorrow is another yesterday – at least accroding to Chief Vitalstatistix and who are we to disbelieve… Especially when writing in this particular thread.

I've just received three 'test-frames' and apart from the flash (easily dealt with anyway) which I understand they're trying to eradicate they're actually pretty good. The detail is a little vague in places but they'll paint up a treat. Bare heads are very good and all hands have fingers! Full review, build up and WIP painting to follow on the blog.

They are now officially in stock:

YouTube link

Great! It's time to remove the preorder text from the DG shop then.

Hooorah!

after all this time, I sincerely hope these turn out to be really really good.

pAT

They are NOT in stock. They are in production at the factory and need to have the 'sprue' snipped, be shipped/transported to Defiance, and put into packaging before they are in stock. They are close, but they are not 'In Stock' except on the web store, where they have been 'in stock' for months.

I trust dwartist when he says they are at the very least decent. And they are certainly affordable enough. Once these are really officially in the shop (no sign of that yet, it still says "preorder"), all the next product needs to amend will be to go easier on the promises bit and to lean heavier on the delivery bit.

They are now officially in stock:

At least you are good at comedy.

shrug, they look cool, preordered a box. they look like they'll scale well next to pig iron and urban war viridians, which are my 28mm sci fi infantry forces.

Oh dear!

I actually like them, not the worst figs out there by along way. I'm sure dwartist will make them look fab. Does this mean everyone can step away from the thread now?

Looking good!