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28mmMan24 Nov 2011 6:35 p.m. PST

I was looking through the various options for Jedi…and the majority are shown with the drab colors and cloth like those cut for a Franciscan monk

Here we see Jedi Master Connery with his Padawan Learner Slater

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There have been some comments and ideas thrown out into the aether that the Jedi Order is elitist and as a whole lacking in common ethics (allowing slavery for example)…I am not arguing these issues but rather the swing of the cultural pendulum.

We see examples in our history of monks, priests, and other official clergy types (as Jedi are assumed to be members of a holy order for good) go through cycles of behavior and appearance…from self imposed poverty through opulent excess.

Perhaps we could consider the whole of Jedi to be about what is on the inside…perhaps some self expression, especially when considering the multitudes of aliens, cultures, and worlds involved…certainly there would be native textiles, colors, patterns, ornaments, etc. used by those from these exotic locales.

I saw this miniature and thought she was an unintentional near perfect blend of a Jedi in movement and of Padmé Amidala (yes a prequel reference, don't throw rocks pls :)

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It is a Studio McVey miniature, surely intended for fantasy use…but the pose, paint, etc. caught my eye…paint the swords as Florentine light sabers and Bob' your Uncle!

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So the idea of Jedi being a bit more than the brown and grey?

Certainly the application of color and textures would be seen as artistic expression and not selfish excess…if they Jedi can afford to thrown personal spaceships around I think a few pieces of silk will not hurt anyone's budget :)

I can not think that color leads to the dark side?

Thoughts?

Garand24 Nov 2011 7:21 p.m. PST

The Jedi order is as old as the Republic, some 25,000 years old. In all that time there must have been considerable change, as well as some that are more flamboyant than others…

That being said, that figure would make for a great Sith! Change out the katana for dual lightsabers, go with a primarily red and black scheme, and a great villain for RPGs!

Damon.

John Leahy Sponsoring Member of TMP24 Nov 2011 8:17 p.m. PST

Yeah, I agree. Easier to make her Sith.

Thanks,

John

28mmMan24 Nov 2011 9:22 p.m. PST

Yes I saw her as a Grey Jedi or Sith type also.

But that is what got me thinking…Padmé dressed the way she did when she was in office because it was tradition

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I would think there would be some that the tradition would carry over.

Tuskens and Kaleesh for example do not have to cover their faces, but they refuse to be seen without their facial coverings…certainly if these types were to become Jedi then the tradition would go with them, in some measure

Tusken…wear a complex whole head wrap and apparatus (there was a (human) Tusken Jedi, A'sharad Hett, who was raised by and as a Tusken, he wore the coverings for a period of time)

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Kaleesh…always wear a mask of the hunter's rank and position, made of bone/skull

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So with all the examples of tradition in the Star Wars setting, and the intent far beyond what has been touched upon…surely there is room to add a bit of color, flair, and interest.

*****

Second thought…would you try to paint the light saber or insert a fluorescent rod like those used with Necrons?

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StarfuryXL524 Nov 2011 9:38 p.m. PST

I see plenty of room for more extravagant outfits for Jedi. Especially if it is garb native to that Jedi.

I would prefer plastic rod for the lightsaber. A cheaper alternative, or one that's easier than sourcing plastic rod, would be to pick up some plastic Star Wars Jedi and transplant the saber blades to your chosen figure.

Garand24 Nov 2011 9:38 p.m. PST

Second thought…would you try to paint the light saber or insert a fluorescent rod like those used with Necrons?

Absolutely use colored rod.

Damon.

StarfuryXL524 Nov 2011 9:43 p.m. PST

Although if you think about it, most Force-sensitive children are taken away before they have a chance to learn their culture. Then they are raised in the drab-robe tradition. Even so, I'd go for the native garb. Makes for a more interesting character.

28mmMan24 Nov 2011 10:57 p.m. PST

That is a good point. You give give up your heritage and traditions to accept the Jedi Order…"empty your cup you must…mmmmm"

But…there is room for the trappings of some flourish even if it is not an earned badge like the hunter's mask.

I actually just thinking of color and design…why wear doo doo brown wool robes when you could wear brilliant hued silks?

I tried to attach some Lucas symbolism :)

Perhaps a Jedi just wears what they want?

Are the doo doo brown robes the uniform of knighthood?

(he says as he looks up the official word on Jedi attire)

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It has long been hypothesized that the first known Jedi came from Tatooine, and as such, wore loosely fitting robes made of low quality fabric. This gives insight into the current state of the modern Jedi apparel. Since he came from humble beginnings this Jedi did not think twice about his outfit and all Jedi that came after him followed in his image. This eventually became vital in the long standing tradition of new Jedi being sworn to a life of modesty and humility. Jedi were raised their entire lives without possessions except for a lightsaber. Since they were given what they needed and their desires were controlled, most Jedi wore traditional yet simple Jedi robes, not feeling the need for fancy and outstanding outfits. The simplicity of the Jedi apparel was in many ways symbolic of the selfless compassion that characterized the Jedi Order.

Jedi robes were simple and comfortable, long, flowing robes, including an overtunic, an undertunic, a cloak or outer robe with a hood, and sometimes a tabard, each of which generally varied in earth tones.

However, there were some Jedi that wore Jedi robes in other colors. Vandar Tokare and Zhar Lestin, for instance, would wear blue robes around the time of the Jedi Civil War, while their contemporary Vrook Lamar wore red robes. Robe colors sometimes spoke to the type of Jedi wearing them, such as with the gray robes associated with Gray Jedi in the time of the Old Republic.

Four thousand years later, towards the fall of the Old Republic, Anakin Skywalker wore robes ranging from dark brown to black, with the tabard made of synthetic leather. Jedi from Corellia usually wore green robes as a way to distinguish themselves and stand out from the rest of the Order. As a rule, the left side of the dress was always turned on the right part of the torso. The overtunic and tabard commonly had two symmetric pieces of cloth in the front hanging beneath and sewn at the waist, which stopped around the knees. However, as with Saesee Tiin, the overtunic was pleated. The overtunic could be shorter than knee-length or as long as ankle-length, of which the latter became common by the Rebellion era. The overtunic, undertunic, and tabard were of the same measurements.

While the exact appearance of the Jedi robes varied from individual to individual and from era to era, the basic concept of simplicity and functionality was present up to the time of the Great Jedi Purge. However, during the days of the Mandalorian Wars, the styles of Jedi robes were more varied and customized. An example of this is the Jedi Covenant and their Padawans, who wore very atypical and more elaborate robes. For instance, Q'Anilia wore a purple robe with a ruffled sleeve hem and green hems along the bottom; Lucien Draay's were white and heavily layered with gold markings; and Xamar wore a royal blue robe tied at the waist by a wide brown belt and two white tabards draping down his back.

As they progressed throughout their career and learned more of the heritage they left behind as children, some Jedi would customize their given garments to show a reflection of pride and gratitude of their homeworlds, while others would wear traditional costumes of their homeworlds altogether but kept in the traditional color scheme of the Jedi apparel. Aayla Secura and Tott Doneeta, like so many other Twi'lek Jedi, would wear garments approximating the traditional Twi'lek costumes, but kept in the characteristic brown or black colors of the Jedi apparel. Ahsoka Tano wore similar garments, but the young Togruta's somewhat revealing attire was frowned upon by Gilad Pellaeon. Mirialan Jedi Luminara Unduli and Barriss Offee wore traditional dark and voluminous Mirialan garments and facial tattoos. Zabrak Jedi such as Eeth Koth and Agen Kolar often wore Iridonian field boots.

Also, many Corellian Jedi would wear green robes of Ottegan silk, a tradition that Corran Horn would later carry on in the New Jedi Order. Adi Gallia and Stass Allie both wore Tholoth headdresses from their homeworld Tholoth, Odan-Urr wore robes reminiscent of the semi-elaborate and metalwork accented clothing of the Draethos, and Ki-Adi-Mundi wore a traditional Cerean vest. Also of note concerning cultural influence was the clothing worn by A'Sharad Hett, who wore Tusken-inspired clothing, mask, and a similarly influenced lightsaber. For aesthetic and cultural purposes, Miralukan Jedi wore bands around their heads to cover their nonexistent eyes. Togruta Jedi such as Ahsoka Tano and Shaak Ti wore their Akul-tooth Headdresses.

(and more)

But the general idea here is that the simple basic design and colors are the standard of the day.

There is room for color, detail, and some flair…it is in excess that it looks to be an issue.

*****

But in regards to gaming, your gaming, would you consider applying a bit of color/flair or keep it basic and subdued? (if you have not already answered :)

Broadsword25 Nov 2011 5:11 a.m. PST

This is what I came up with for a light saber blade:

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Piano wire with a reduced/layered ink wash.

Details may be found here: link

vojvoda25 Nov 2011 6:13 a.m. PST

Cult, they all dress the same.

The figure is Sith. She had to have her hair done by someone else before she goes to perform in battle. She spent 1/2 hour under the hair dryer but it was not a loss her makeup artist was working the entire time. Same with her costume coordinator.

Anyone remember Sith Lord Darth Maul?

VR
James Mattes

Martin Rapier25 Nov 2011 9:25 a.m. PST

"So the idea of Jedi being a bit more than the brown and grey?"

If you treat the computer games as 'canon', then yes. Even the boring up tight goody goody Old Republic Jedi wore coloured robes (red, blue, black, dark grey as well as poo brown) and it was not unheard of to wear proper clothes, armour etc – as seen in many of the Jedi in Ep 1-3, as well as the post Imperial world of SW Force Unleashed, Jedi Knight etc. In the games there are various grades of robe, some of which take upgrades, and some, like Revans artificial robe from the Star Forge, have awe inspiring power boost ups.

The extravagence of the dress in the OP figures does look rather more Sith like although e.g. Tavion tends to favour the leather bikini slave girl look. This figure looks like a Sith somewhat detached from the physical plane, maybe like Darth Nihilous in a dress:)

28mmMan25 Nov 2011 11:11 a.m. PST

Good stuff all :)

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Broadsword the wire blade looks good!

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