"A truly unique (and revolutionary?) wargames product" Topic

Looks great to me and good luck to the fellow – he should just ignore the miserable bleating from the usual suspects. I especially love the ones from people who feel their times has been 'wasted' as this was 'wrongly cross-posted'. Does that mean that they seriously believe the rest of the time they spend browsing TMP is spent constructively?

But, and more importantly, if we buy pre-painted figures, does that mean we'll actually have to wargame?
Surely the whole point the hobby is sitting alone at a desk, enjoying the white-spirit fumes as you stare at rows of un-painted / semi-painted figures and secretly knowing they'll never see action.

Wow – talk about the very worst of TMP coming out.

This poor guy releases what looks to be one of the most complete, well-thought out products in a LONG time – for HISTORICALS! – and people come out of the woodwork to bash him!!??!?!?

Just amazing. I have to chalk it up to the tall poppy syndrome and the fact that the haters are really just feeling jealous??

Give the guy a break – and Lord Ashram too who we all know from his lovely game room – he's just an enthusiastic gamer who happens to like a product – like 99.9% of the posts on TMP!

And SO WHAT if it was an "ad" (which it isn't) – don't the haters realize that 99.99999% of wargames companies are run by wargames enthusiasts who happen to make a go of it as a side business? (Usually just because they want to make something they want for THEMSELVES)

I don't know what's happened to TMP but it just seems to become more and more negative as time goes on. If I wanted to listen to whiny babies who get off on putting other people down while they sit and make forum posts all day long – I'd go to Frothers.

Perhaps we should have a new rule – no negative comments in the first 10+ posts of a Hobby News Discussion or thread post mentioning a new product?

Fifty4

Would any threads make it to 10 posts in that case?

True that. ;-)

Perhaps we should have a new rule – no negative comments in the first 10+ posts of a Hobby News Discussion or thread post mentioning a new product?

Not a bad idea: all i can say is thank the lord for my stifle button. If more people used it more often it would probably slow down the whingers a bit and encourage them to go elsewhere.

I don't use if often (less than half a dozen times) but I feel I'm 'voting with my feet', as it were.

John T

I'm going to basically repeat what I said upstream because I think this thread needs more positive vibes. This is a great idea, the product looks good, and I wish this individual nothing but the best and hope it is a success.

thank goodness he didnt launch Napoleonics – If you think the Ancients comments are harshm can you imagine the recption he'd get on THAT TMP board!!! :o)

Sorry to ask again, but do we know the base size?

I have been producing figures for over 25 years now -- have sold literally millions upon millions of figures -- keep the prices as low as I can so the gamers can build large armies if they so desire -- have had the largest booths at the cons for years -release entires lines and even hit some obscure areas --loads of varients --make multiple scales --buildings,ships, etc -- yet there is always that element out there that just takes shots, tells me what "I am doing wrong", etc --why --I haver never known really -- jealousy perhaps?? If a person does not like the OG figures --fine --but often the level of vitrol, accusations, anger,etc in a post leads me to suspect other agendas at work?
Anyway -- I have grown use to and have learned to pretty much ignore it. My great satisfaction is the fact that the real community must see through the most of it as my sales stay stong --to this young company with a product that looks to be a very good concept --to me anyway – and based on most of the posts here -- do not get discouraged by the few -- the majority of wargamers are a great lot --sooner or later the sales of your product will decide the issue anyway --and in the end that is the goal and the greatest satisfaction to all involved.
Regards
russ Dunaway

I don't do much gaming out of the Ancients/early Medieval Periods. I think killing someone with gun powder propelled projectiles is barbaric. Much better a sharp spear point or large rock to the head !
But I do enjoy moving little painted men around a games table. Other than the price, this looks interesting. 10 mm I'm not used to gaming in, but made up for in volume of figures. And prepainted ! Ah these old eyes rejoice. Now I must convince my well heeled offspring to check these out. A gift of these would solidify their position in papa's will. Too bad they are not available for export yet.

Russ Dunaway of Old Glory,

Could it be because of your predatory business practices such as the way you attempted to put Eric Roof of Conquest out of business after he wouldn't sell his company to you? That might just be one of the reasons the vitriol gets heaped on you.

Your sales stay strong because of two reasons:

You sell the cheaper chicken (and quantity has a quality all of its own for cash-strapped wargamers) and you have pretty much the only game in town in the USA and actively work to keep it that way by squashing smaller companies. If you were here in the UK Old Glory wouldn't be much of anything once you tried to compete with the likes of Wargames Foundry, Peter Pig, Warmodelling, Perry, Warlord, etc.

Cheers mate and keep on with that Christian spirit.

Owwww, BUUUUUUUUUURN!

Darkshire without a name, Whatever your involvement or what you think you know or have heard--everything you said is simply not true -- I need not say anymore.
Thank you for the Christian encoragement.
Russ Dunaway

Remind me what this thread was about again? Oh thats right, someone marketing a very promising product. I'm with Princeps, so I repeat I wish him good luck on a great initiative.

Don't forget to allow Aussies to buy some…:)

Looking at the site again, the shipping option has been updated for Aus. Good news.

Ah, the dirty little hobby rumor mill. You know I heard Russ eats babies for breakfast and he once shot a man just for rolling his dice too loud!

I don't know Russ Dunaway--never met him, and have no
knowledge about his alleged activities, or lack thereof,
with respect to Conquest or other smaller companies.

But I can state unequivically that his 15mm WWII figs compare favorably with Peter Pig's fine line, since I have substantial numbers of both. I also know that Mr. Dunaway
has significant competion from other US compaines, such as
OG 15's Quality Casting excellent line.

Thus, having first hand info that, IMO, refutes two of Darkshire's allegaions about Mr. Dunaway, I have to wonder if the rest of his assertions are nothing more than internet rumor mongering.

Jerry

I really should not post on this subject as no good will really come from it --kind of like itching poisen ivy.
First and foremost I want to apolgize to the original poster as well as the subject of his post as I only intended to give my oponion on what I believe to be a fine product -- twice now on this thread I have been personally attacked by people I do not know or at best know very little about -- both seem to know quite a bit more about me, my motives, likes,dislikes,etc then I do them? What can I say?
As to the major charge, I never tried to purchase Mr roofs company --some years back I did approach with regards to a joint venture on one particular range (Semilnoles I believe)and also about, what I had been told anyway, some molding and casting concerns he had -- I sent Ogc master mold maker over to disscuss this with him --then I visited -- this I believe is quite within the realm of normal as OG does provide mold making and casting for at least another dozen or so smaller companies -- I keep the prices as low as I can for them as the success of their companies effect me also. I thought I could help Mr roof -- apparently I could not.
Sometime after the conversation I began to hear these rumors --where they come from I know not -- perhaps from a misunderstanding --or perhaps a bold face lie? Either way I have provided the ones involved ample opportunity at dozens of trade shows to approach me and disscuss the matter in a cival way face to face-- I have avoided no one. If there was a misunderstanding I apolagize. Most of the OG ranges have nothing to do with Mr roofs and the ones that do were around some years before his arrival.
Thank you Mr darkshire with no name to at least have some courage to accuse me -- although not face to face-- and give me the opportunity to address these allegations in public once and for all. I have heard this story 5th hand a few times so this was the first time this has happened.
I will not engage in the "he said, I said game" -- its simply not true.

As far as being predatory ? -- The only small companies I have ever purchased approaced me with the proposal of purchase --there were two of them and I acceppted both offers without a counter proposal--fair enough? Also, if keeping OG prices lower in a very competitive market for my advantage as well as the consumers is "predatory" then I am guilty as charged -- others have the right to compete and run their companies as they see fit --no complaints from me.
I have no power to stop Mr Roof or anyone else from producing his figures and bringing them to market.

As far as "if you were here in the UK" statement -- the fact of the matter is that we are there in the UK and doing very,very good along side the fine companies mentioned -- who most of them I have a good supply of their figures in my collection --OG UK has been VAT registered for 20 years, have our own warehouse, and sponsered the Derby show for years when no one else would step forward?
There -- intially I was very angry about this post so I will give credit to "Darkshire with no name" and "By john 54 with no name" you did me a wee bit and although I really have no obligations to answer these things -- unless in court where there is at least the cival decency of a trial before the hanging I decided to go the professional route and take the chance to answer these charges. I will not do it again. Also --where is the rule about no personal attacks? what a ugly little episode?
Once again I apologize to the people involved with regards to the primary purpose of the original post -- In the words of Red Cloud --"I will fight no more".
Regards
Russ Dunaway

So you don't deny my charges, eh Russ? I knew it!

OK, OK, Twiningham --you kind of have me there -- anyway partially -- I absoloutly never shot anyone for rolling their dice to loud !!!

'By John with no name'

really!?! have a wild guess what my name is, go on!

Annnnd I have no interest in either side of this one, although I never liked OG horses.

One last thing after thinking about it for a while -- if someone did approach me with such an arrogant statement --I would just laugh and and tell them to giver a go if they thought they could -- "your a dandy if you do".
Regards
Russ Dunaway

1815guy

thank goodness he didnt launch Napoleonics – If you think the Ancients comments are harshm can you imagine the recption he'd get on THAT TMP board!!! :o)

Thank the Gods of Gaming for that! I haven't ventured onto the Nappies board for sometime now, and I likely won't in the future. There's so many egos vying with eachother there that it's a wonder the board hasn't collapsed under the weight of them.

I like the idea of the 10mm armies, it seems like a nice way to get involved quickly. As for Old Glory, I think they have great figures and the cost of their figures is one of the things that make them attractive, especially in these economic times……my only problem is, and I'm sure Mr Dunaway has been asked the question, Why can't I buy individual figures?
So I welcome the new enterprise and wish them well, and to Old Glory, I wish continued success.

67thtigers--

1" x 3/4" (I emailed and asked since I couldn't find it posted anywhere on his site).

Best wishes fellas! Glad to see this concept is flying!
Andrew Dangel

Is this basing compatible with Fire and Fury?

Also do the figures come fixed to the bases and if so are they cast on of glued on?

I've seen them and they come cast to the bases. They are pretty secure.

Thanks Lord Ashram

I was actually not concerned as to how secure but how easily they could be dismounted for use on other basing standards as I suspect my player group would be looking to use the Fire and Fury rules.

Of course if both sides all use the same basing then they could be uses as is with any rule set.

Hey gang, the minis are individually attached to each base with a little bit of adhesive. They hold really well but can be removed pretty easily if you try without damaging any feet or legs. For the ones that have a real secure hold you can use an exacto knife and gently slide it under the feet to pop the figure off.

Ive opened a few boxes and there has been 1 or 2 minis that have fallen off of their bases because of rough handling during shipping. So ill be including Army painter super glue with most of the grand armies to compensate for this little issue. thanks!

Hi LightRail

Thanks for this.

Good removability is very good news and makes them good for re-basing for any rule set [which should be good for sales]

The more I hear about these the more I suspect that I will be buying soon [so must save the pennies!]

Ah sorry, they were secured so tight that I thought they were cast! Whoops!

That is interesting, though, that they are attached afterwards… it does give more flexibility… I totally want to buy a few sets of generals now and clip off some infantry and glue some mounted commanders into the ranks!:)

Oh… and I notice Rail that you are a supporting member now. Hm!

:)

That's fantastic news about the ease of rebasing, and we'll probably be able to save the bases for later use, it sounds like.

This definitely has me thinking … does anybody know how well the infantry will fit with GHQ? They mention on their website that in some cases the figures could even be used for 6mm, so I'm hoping that these are on the small side of 10mm and thus compatible.

Just a thought, but I wonder if "Infantry Boxes" might sell rather well – maybe a couple dozen infantry bases, or however many would fit in existing packaging. Given the nature of the ACW and existing collections, that's sure to be what players will want – and yes, by "players" I mean "me" … ;)

Lord Ashram, I see you took some TMP Heat, but thanks for bringing this to our attention!

Cheers,

Christopher

Hey man,

Thanks… I really didn't mean to upset anyone, but what can you do? Glad you appreciated the info. I am waiting for big boxes of Zulu myself!:)

I agree on the "infantry box" deal… 2 units of regulars and a unit of militia or something… would be a good way to "build up" armies when you already have the rest, and would be a REAL drool-worthy, affordable gift for… well, just about ANY LITTLE BOY IN THE WORLD on a holiday!:) Like someone already posted… I would have KILLED to have these when I was a kid!

As for fitting with others… having seen the figures I wouldn't think they would be ideal for mixing with others. Now, the smallest scale ACW figures I have are 15mm, so I really can't say for sure, but my first instinct is they wouldn't match up super well with GHQ figures. I might be wrong tho.

Lord Ashrum,
Doesn't GHQ make a 10mm ACW line? I think CAT was referring
to that. IIRC, GHQ's line is somewhat smaller than most
other manufactuer's 10mm lines. It would be useful which of
the various 10mm lines this one is most compatable with.
Jerry

Ah, okay, I don't really know… was just sort of guessing!:)

Looks great to me and good luck to the fellow – he should just ignore the miserable bleating

Well said.
I think this is very cool, and am quite interested.

Zulus … that'll save me a whole paint job. In fact I might retire my whole paint collection.

This is a great initiative by the guy, best of luck to you! Lack of time means I have to be careful about venturing into new eras of gaming. Bought 10mm ACW a couple of times now over the years and both times, sold them as unpainted lead after a year or so sitting in a dark cupboard (the figures, not me!). So having pre-paints in a nice box with rules, dice, etc is great. Much better than Battle Cry – at least this game looks like a battle!

Old Glory 15 Nov 2011 12:10 p.m. PST
…and in the end that is the goal and the greatest satisfaction to all involved.
Regards
russ Dunaway

Russ, I have not talked to you in years, but FWIW I thank you for your service to the hobby.

Very Respectfully,
James Mattes

Great product in my mind, regardless of the time period. I would be curious to see some Ancients or Medievals down the road. A great way to get kids involved in the hobby.

I wonder if some of the posters in this thread would have the balls to be such rude es if these disagreements were taking place face to face. I doubt it.

Of course this comes out after I have invested hundreds of dollars in GHQ 10mm to build up my USA & CSA armies. I am about half way through painting so it is now too far down the road to turn back.

I will be watching for further periods as I really like this concept since I hate painting. I would suggest that this venture stick to periods where there were two distinct sides in the conflict so as to avoid having to create too many lines so as to cover the entire conflict. ACW was a good first choice. Zulus sound very interesting.

Good Luck and I hope everything works out.

p.s. Please ignore the idiotic rantings of some of the muppets that inhabit these pages.

I enjoy painting, but not hundreds of the same. If I decided to get into ACW, these would be very high on my personal list, but I am trying to stick to 15mm for everything larger than ~10-men-per-side games.

For the sake of growth, I would love to see more settings where there are basically two sides. Start simple, then add complexity once the business model is established as viable!

Medievals would be interesting, but how would you do heraldry/livery?

i just got some blisters in the mail today and i think they are really awesome.they would work for fire and fury no problem.i dont have any perrin to compare to but they have to be close.

I think this is a great idea. I don't mind taking prepainted figures and touching them up if they need it for my tastes, that's still a lot quicker than doing them from scratch.

If I was going to get into ACW, I certainly would get these.

Here's hoping this venture works and then they do some chariot age armies -- that's a period I have been mulling getting in 10mm!

"kabrank
Is this basing compatible with Fire and Fury?"

As on of the regular play testers for Fire and Fury the short answer is yes. Fire and Fury and Regimental F&F call for one inch by 3/4 inch for infantry bases. However regardless of size as long as the bases have the same frontage they will work with out rebasing.

My GHQ/Langton 10mm, 1/160 scale figures are based on the 1 X3/4 inch size.

Looks like a good product and I wish them well.

Cheers,
Joel in Northern Virginia

I was a bit disappointed in the rules themselves…..liked them until the artillery portion, which involves "guessing" ranges and dropping dice from above…..terrible method IMO. Glad to see the basing is compatible with fire and fury……this will be the only way I think about getting into civil war.

Ah, didn't read the rules that closely… While I do enjoy the rules that have a physical component (they often are a little fun!) the idea of dropping dice on my miniatures:)

That is definitely one of the rules and changes I will be adjusting to the book in a week or 2. Ill post the new version online when its done and let everyone know, thanks!

I'd suggest doing something similar to the infantry musket fire. Do away with guessing ranges, and positively do away with dropping stuff on the table. Btw-----do I understand correctly that a wheel costs 3" of move regardless of how far? So make a 90 degree wheel and it only costs 3", allowing for further movement? No need for the more stringent 90 degree turn then….