"1658 Battle of Dunes-suitable figs in 15mm or 25mm" Topic

is this a real in between period? Do the troops look like ECW troops? What companies produce models suitabel for the time?

FM

Field Marshall;

While firm evidence is somewhat scarce, there are descriptions of the English contingent in Turenne's army as being New Model regiments, so would probably be very similar to late Civil War troops. There are also some artistic sources on Turenne himself and troops in the background, such as this one

And this one

And an excellent period engraving here of Louis XIV entering Dunkirk in 1661 here

Probably the only 15mm range specifically tailored to this period would be Donnington's "Turenne to Montecuccoli" range (although it's really a little later). I would think you could do a pretty good representation with selected figures from Old Glory, Essex, Donnington, Irregular and others. I am working on a French army of the period using those ranges. The fact that you have separate contingents of Spanish, Royalist Engilsh in exile, French frondé rebels under Condé, Walloons, and Irish on the one side against contingents of French under Turenne and New Model English under Lockhart would allow for using many ranges of figures with figures in distinct separate units.

Bill
Sir William the Aged
warsoflouisxiv.blogspot.com

Field Marshall;

Also, if you are not already familiar with it, there is an excellent site for uniform art hosted by the New York Public Library, The Vinkhuijzen Collection of Military Art. Here is a plate showing French dress from the early 17th century

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And here is the link to the complete collection, just choose the nationality and then the specific period.

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Bill
Sir William the Aged
warsoflouisxiv.blogspot.com

Sir William you are a gentleman beyond par!
Thank you for the info….i shall look at the sites recommended…

The English would have been very much the same as troops from the ECW .

Also, if you are not already familiar with it, there is an excellent site for uniform art hosted by the New York Public Library, The Vinkhuijzen Collection of Military Art. Here is a plate showing French dress from the early 17th century

Bill, what is the date on this picture? It doesn't look quite right. There are figures with what appear to be true tricornes and some with long sleeves where the cuff reaches to the wrist. These figures look much later. Especially the figure in the red cost getting on his horse.

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Delbruck;

Excellent catch! The single plate referenced also has a "key" as the next plate in the collection. This first plate shows uniforms (or dress) throughout most of the 17th century, specifically from the 1630's to the 1690's. I only offered this single plate as an example of the material available. If you use the other link to the collection as a whole, there are 4 pages (or screens) of individual plates that offer examples specifically to the French in the 1650-1678 period.

BTW – Here is the link to the "key" for the plate referenced

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Bill
Sir William the Aged
warsoflouisxiv.blogspot.com

Field Marshall;

My apologies, but I failed to address your request for info on 28mm figures. Here is an earlier thread specifically on "doing" the French from the later TYW era (Rocroi) into the Franco-Spanish Wars:

TMP link

At this time Redoubt seem to have the most complete range of figures that offer some of the specific French styling features of dress. That does not mean that there are no other figures that would work, simply that I feel (my opinion only) that the Redoubt figures would work the best.

As to the English, Spanish, Walloons and Irish – virtually anyone's 28mm late TYW or New Model figures would work. Let your own tastes and budget be your guide. Depending on your commitment to doing the "whole" battle, and your personal preferences, this may be a project where you could use some of the Warlord plastics for your New Model and Royalist exile English. They would work quite well, and with minor conversions, could work well for the Walloons and Irish as well.

Bill
Sir William the Aged
warsoflouisxiv.blogspot.com