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khurasanminiatures20 Sep 2011 12:39 p.m. PST

Very pleased to release our latest "large 15mm" Thirty Years War models, for German or Swedish horse (many units of Horse in the Swedish army in Germany being German).  As Germans they mostly wear the archetypal Zischagge helmet.

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The first set are typical horse in buff coats.  Common to all these sets, by the way, is a commander with a warhammer and a standardbearer (flag is not included).  In addition to the two commanders there are ten pistoliers, with four different upper bodies and two different lower bodies.  These are posable to some extent so that the pistoliers can be depicted firing to the right or the left of the horse's head.

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The second set are lesser cuirassiers in breast and backplate.  The arrangment of this set is just like the previous set.

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Finally we have mounted arquebusiers.  These have the two command figures, six arquebusiers in reserve (three different poses of these) and four in shooting poses which I quite love playing around with (each of these poses is unique).

All are available now!  The pistolier Horse are KM2601 and 2602, the mounted arquebusiers are KM2608.

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Sculpted by Mike Broadbent, and painted by Artmaster Studio. Thanks for looking.

nickinsomerset20 Sep 2011 1:23 p.m. PST

I saw, I liked, I ordered,

Tally Ho!

Shagnasty Supporting Member of TMP20 Sep 2011 5:16 p.m. PST

I see, I like but don't order because of the "large" aspect. Won't fit with my current lads and it is too bad.

nsolomon9920 Sep 2011 7:46 p.m. PST

Superb – hmmmmm, Thirty Years War, hmmm, great range of figures starting, hmmmm – now all I need is a really good set of rules?! Adapation of Might & Reason, hmmm. Danger, danger.

Personal logo aegiscg47 Supporting Member of TMP21 Sep 2011 8:35 a.m. PST

How would these work for Reiters in the French Wars of Religion, which was an earlier period?

Daniel S21 Sep 2011 6:03 p.m. PST

Not at all I'm afraid, both clothing and armour was very diffrent in style.

FWOR Reiters:

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TYW Reiters

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Personal logo aegiscg47 Supporting Member of TMP22 Sep 2011 8:47 a.m. PST

Daniel S, thanks for the images. It's difficult to find info on the WOR period, so I was hoping these might work, but obviously they're a bit too late for the period.

Steve W23 Sep 2011 5:16 a.m. PST

Would these fit in with Testudo figures?

nickinsomerset23 Sep 2011 6:22 a.m. PST

Steve,

the range will sit well in the same army as Testudo but probably not the same unit. The infantry are slightly smaller in heighr and stature, but the cavalry much closer with the Khurasan slightly bigger. The horses are a slightly different "style". Both are excellent ranges and good to paint,

Tally Ho!

Steve W23 Sep 2011 6:35 a.m. PST

thanks for that, mty ECW/TYW collection is all museum minis and I alooking to replace them all now

Ilodic24 Sep 2011 4:47 p.m. PST

These models look great! One question, however. It appears from the photos your mounted arquebusiers are shown without cuirass. Is that the case, and was this so historically?

ilodic.

khurasanminiatures24 Sep 2011 5:42 p.m. PST

That's right, they are unarmoured. My belief is that cavalry with armour would probably have functioned mostly as pistoliers as a practical matter. We may make some harquebusier types in the future but don't think there would be much call for them in TYW armies.

Ilodic24 Sep 2011 8:25 p.m. PST

Are mounted arquebusiers the same as harquebuisers? If not, what is the differance in terms of arms, armour, and tactics?

ilodic.

Daniel S24 Sep 2011 10:49 p.m. PST

"Harqubusier" was the most common English word for a mounted arqubusier in the first half of the 17th Century, to many (but not all) writers it does denote that the trooper was armoured with breastplate or back & breastplates as well as a helmet. For example Sir James Turner described how armour went out of use during the TYW by complaining that instead of cuirassiers all armies now had only harquebusiers.

In the early 17th Century there was an ongoing debate among military professionals wether mtd arquebusiers should be armoured or not, some like the Dutch military reformers Maurits of Nassau and Johann of Nassau-Siegen saw the armoured mtd arquebusier as a usefull jack of all trades. Others like Spanish & Imperial generals Giorgio Basta and Lodovico Melzo saw the mtd arquebusier first and foremost as a light cavalryman. Therefore the mtd arquebusier should be unarmoured or have no more than a helmet but rather be well mounted.

On paper the tactics used were the same, arquebus fire from a distance or a charge at the trott with pistols and/or sword. In reality mtd arqubusiers who had both armour & pistols proved far more willing to charge and enter close combat than the unarmoured mtd arquebusiers.

Wallenstein who raised much of the Imperial army was heavily influenced by the teachings of hos old commander and mentor Giorgio Basta and he raised a considerable number of unarmoured mtd arquebusiers (including his own lifeguard). But their poor performance at Lutzen compared to the regiments which were armoured led to him issueing orders that abolished the use of the carbine & arquebus except among the Croats & Poles and made armour mandatory for all of the "Arkebusier" regiments.

barcah200126 Sep 2011 10:53 a.m. PST

Great service! Got my figures today--prime them tonight and see how they look.

nickinsomerset27 Sep 2011 9:44 a.m. PST

Mine arrived in Blighty today, lovely figures,

Tally Ho!

barcah200128 Sep 2011 4:39 a.m. PST

Cavalry very nice but large--noticeably bigger than Testudo, likely because the horses are a different style.
30YW infantry is good, muskets are especially good--and size matches well. I also got some of the Irish Confederation foot, both pike and shot, and they are well detailed but much smaller. They will have to serve on the other side of the table.

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