Czar Alexander II  | 02 Sep 2011 11:30 p.m. PST |
Hello I am considering painting up 1 of the Russian Marine Regiments (pre 1810). I am running into a number of problems
- namely the few sources I have aren't in much agreement about anything concerning these units (no problem post 1810). All agree on 3 battalions per Marine Regiment – but thats where that ends. They disagree on what these 3 battalions
consisted of (namely): Grenadier Battalion – 4 Grenadier companies (150 men per)
Fusilier Battalions (2) – 4 Fusilier companies (150 men per) or………… Grenadier Battalion – 4 Grenadier companies (135 men per)
Fusilier Battalions (2) – 3 Fusilier companies (135 men) and 1 Grenadier company (135 men) (And I would assime that in this time frame the use of fusiliers by the Russains would not mean those were some
type of elite troops…) Facing Colors Can't find anything that would say they didn't use the Green piped white that was used post 1810 when the Marines
went into the Corp structure with the Regular army. Flags
Well again I can find they had them but not a peep about their color or type (I would assume an 1804 pattern..) Pants Color
Here I can find 3 sources…..1 says white pants – 1 says light grey and a third says their pants were green….. Other than those minor issues – I've got this covered :) If anyone can point me to an online source or a particular book (thats not $500 USD or out of print since 1895..I'm game to find it) Any help would be appreciated ….. |
| Greystreak | 03 Sep 2011 2:28 a.m. PST |
Mark Conrad's translations of Viskovatov would be a good place to start: link . |
| Femeng2 | 03 Sep 2011 5:27 a.m. PST |
The Morskii Pulksii (Naval {not marine} Regiments were raised in 1813 and directed to follow the organization of the Land Army in all particulars.
The Morskii' colorered flags were of the 1803 pattern with a blue cross, issued 31 March 1804 (don't know by which calendar). |
| Greystreak | 03 Sep 2011 1:21 p.m. PST |
An illustration by O.K. Parkhaev of a Marine NCO and Officer circa 1812 below (nothing earlier):
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| Czar Alexander II | 03 Sep 2011 6:04 p.m. PST |
Mark Conrad's translations of Viskovatov picks up with
the Marines/Naval Infantry on 16 March 1813 when they
were offically transferred into the army. They were
assigned to army corps in 1811. [This is one of the sources I read as his translations
are excellent references] These units were in existance since 1803 (according to
Nafziger – The Russian Army 1800-1815 p 18). Three
regiments in 1810 – the fourth raised in 1811. Thanks so the info so far….esp the picture |
| SJDonovan | 03 Sep 2011 6:17 p.m. PST |
Is it just me or do the marines in O.K. Parkhaev's picture look just a teensy bit camp? |
| huevans011 | 03 Sep 2011 7:36 p.m. PST |
Is it just me or do the marines in O.K. Parkhaev's picture look just a teensy bit camp? Speak for yourself, Duckie! I think the sergeant is dead butch, myself. |
| SJDonovan | 03 Sep 2011 11:00 p.m. PST |
Right, now let's see something decent and military: YouTube link |
| 12345678 | 04 Sep 2011 2:10 a.m. PST |
Well, marines do have a certain reputation;). |
| Czar Alexander II | 13 Sep 2011 5:09 p.m. PST |
The Morskii Pulksii (Naval {not marine} Regiments were raised in 1813 and directed to follow the organization of the Land Army in all particulars. The Morskii' colorered flags were of the 1803 pattern with a blue cross, issued 31 March 1804 (don't know by which calendar). Seems odd that a unit that wasn't raised until 1813 was issued 1804 flags……. Hmmmm…what shade of blue ? Light – Dark ? |
| Hugh Johns | 14 Sep 2011 12:33 p.m. PST |
Yes it's odd. Perhaps the question should be asked in a useful Napoleonic forum. |
| Greystreak | 14 Sep 2011 1:09 p.m. PST |
Your Majesty, you make things overly difficult for yourself, as most reseachers and collectors of Russians will understand what an 1803 infantry pattern flag resembles. Perhaps a picture (and 'translator' enabled browser Toolbar) is worth a thousand words? link |
| XV Brigada | 14 Sep 2011 2:54 p.m. PST |
Not sure why it is odd. The 1803 pattern colours replaced those of the previous reign and were current throughout the period. There was a so-called 1806 pattern or St George colours presented for distinguished service. |
| Gunfreak | 14 Sep 2011 3:28 p.m. PST |
WHAT!! blue russians!! I might have to paint them just to see what it looks like. |
| huevans011 | 14 Sep 2011 5:44 p.m. PST |
Not blue Russians. Dark green. the cross on the flags is blue. |
| falange | 11 Jul 2013 5:45 a.m. PST |
It has been two years since the last post, but Perry Miniatures now has a Russian box with a marine (naval) flag.
Conrad states they were basically like the infantry except green pants and green facing with withe piping. However, green pants were just a winter version of the summer white pants. Likely they could wear white pants, yet I would do them green for originality. I do my jagers in green pants and old style shakos just to aid in recognizing they are different and serve as skirmishers. |
| Hugh Johns | 11 Jul 2013 12:34 p.m. PST |
It helps if you look at Viskovatov's pictures too. |
| Czar Alexander II | 11 Jul 2013 10:08 p.m. PST |
My how time flies….I have actually completed 2 Regiments of Russian Marines (25mm). 3 Battalions of 32 figures per regiment. Pretty much used the picture above but in a darker green. I used a GMB flag (R16- 1st to 4th Marines from 1804 (Dark Blue). The flag was a bit over sized for the figures but I trimmed it down a touch and it looks fine. I went with the green pants …its just makes them stand out more in a sea of dark green and white. |
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