"Hind Commander" Topic

Saw this new game on the 1/600 Yahoo aircraft group. Looks interesting. Apparently meant to be played with 2/3/or 6mm ground and aircraft miniatures

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So is it primarily an air game or a ground game?

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I dunno. Guess I spent too long killing the DIVAD program. I have a feeling this would not resonate with me.

Allen

"So is it primarily an air game or a ground game?"

Yes.

Allen

If I do this in 3mm it certainly is cheap enough to take a crack at it.

I wonder how it scales up to 15mm? Anyways, I ordered a copy, so I'll find out soon enough. It's great to order stuff from a country with a currency that's worth less than the USD for a change… lol

Hey, we scored one of your divads at Pt Mugu, it was parked behind one of the anechoic chambers for a while…

Looks like it could be an interesting game, but I'm not into buying rules sight unseen anymore.

HIND Commander.

Because Cobra Commander was already taken.

Yap, good point The G Dog :D
I haven't nocited Cobra Commander before (sorry, we do not read too much comics in Poland). But knowing Marvel ability to generate various costume-wearing-nuts by dozen I had a luck that I hit free title :D

"So is it primarily an air game or a ground game?"
Hind Commander is a game about the helicopters, but ground units plays vital role in it (as targets, but also they are able to defence or – within limits – they move and/or fight automatically).

Cobra Commander is from a US action figure line, also an 80's cartoon with a 2000 reboot. Recently a live action movie that was ok at best. Cobra commander was the leader of the bad guys, aptly named COBRA.

I'd be interested in hearing how it compares to Chaingun, which is a decent, lethal set of rules for modern close air support.

I too am very interested in these rules but would like to know more about them and what they offer over and above say, Thunderbolt/Apache Leader.

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I had a couple old SPI games similar to this, which are packed away right now so the name(s) siip my mind.

I remember enjoying those, so I wonder how this would compare.

Cobra Command was also an old video game where you control a helicopter. IT has the same kinda game play as Dragon's Lair, but you could also control the crosshairs to shoot down other helis…

From the same guy that developed Sturmovik Commander.

Given I already have a pile of 1/600 helicopters, I think the rules could be a good additional use for them, when they're not tied up with CWC or the like. I liked Thunderbolt/Apache Leader, but I haven't heard of those rules coming out with anything for the Soviet side, so this may be an alternative.

Sounds like Picoarmor in the US will carry them too.

Those Hinds are awesome! Prussia must build it's own varient!

COBRA? What is this COBRA of which you speak? There is only Hydra. :-)

It's great to order stuff from a country with a currency that's worth less than the USD for a change… lol

I was just wondering how many Zimbabwean wargaming companies were out there.

"Those Hinds are awesome! Prussia must build it's own varient!"

The Hind attack helicopter squadrons in the late, great East German National People's Army traced their lineage to Prussian Hussar regiments.

The idea of using these rules for some 3rd World insurgency suppression is pretty idea. Reminds me of that book War Dog where the Merc pilot was the entire Sierra Leone air element, keeping back the RUF. Looking forward to a review or some info on gameplay, complexity, average length of games, playing area, etc.

The review(s) should be be soon – the copies of HC had been sent to two very popular wargame magazines and so far a few peaple was brave enought to order it :)

In the meantime I may reveal some details about the rest:

Complexity – the game complexity isn't overdone (the rules are ascetically beautiful and fits maybe in a 30 pages), althought it isn't beer&pretzels system as it requires a lot of thinking, bluffing and a little of concetration.

Avarage length is from 1,5-2,5 hours (halved Strike Group) to the evening (full Strike Group).

Playing area isn't big – HC was tested on small 100cm*120cm table and works perfectly.

I've ordered from Caliver in the UK and look forward to reading this here in Kabul :) Then it'll be a decision on scale :) GHQ or Oddzial Odsmy (spelling?????) :)

Kabul?

Yep :) Kabul ……… capital of Afghanistan :) I see Hinds frequently :)

As well as Tigers, Gazelles, Cougars, Blackhawks, Mi8s, S61s …..

Can you send me yours photo with the rulebook with Kabul (and maybe some helis) in the background? :)

Lord MKG, can you send me a mail to nellyhayuk at yahoo dot com and I'll see what I can do :)

Sure, I'll do it soon :)
Tigers? I'm preparing first small addon: rules of Tigers HAD and ARH (and Bo-105 in export variant). As HC has semi-open equiptment list additional ones will be published for free on the web page.

DIVAD was the US Army's only chance to get an effective close AA system against helicopters in the late 80s – and it was killed by the same pathetic liberal smear journalism that is used against every military program the US comes up with. Only a dumb would try to take credit for that.

Play Hind Commander and see what happens when a force has zero capability to defend itself.

Cool find! Thanks for posting! Looking forward to reviews.

Cool find! Thanks for posting! Looking forwad to reviews.

They should be soon: the books arrived to reviewers and first sold pieces should at be customers this week, so there should be some opinions on forums.

Whilst we have the designer looking at the thread, roughly how many helicopters is there meant to be on a side?

Since hearing about this ruleset, I've begun getting childish about doing some games with helicopters blowing things up with rockets and whatnot. Playing the computer game 'Prototype' has not helped.

Assuming (correctly) that I am a novice when it comes to helicopter combat, formations, and in fact everything- actually, all these abbreviations (HAD? Bo-105?) are confusing to me- roughly what would constitute a "Full Strike Group" for an evening's gaming? I've got ground targets aplenty with my AK47 Republic and Cold War Commander forces, but helicopters have never been the focus.

Leigh

In general the typical strike group consist up to 24 helicopters or other aircraft, normally from 10 to 16, up to 24 vehicles, guns or support (of different kinds) and up to 24 infantry teams. The detailed limits are described in the doctrines (Army, Rapid Strike, Recon, Defence, Special Forces and Reserve). Halved strike groups divide the number and limits by 2.

Below you may see the complete Strike Group (in 1/600) of fictious Naftia Kingom recently painted by one of Polish players (note that the helis do not have rotors – they will be added soon).

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HAD and ARH are versions of the Eurocopter Tiger. The HAD is used by the French and Spanish, and the ARH is the Australian version.

The BO-105 was a German light utility helicopter that was the German army's main anti-tank helicopter prior to the Tiger. It was also exported all over the world.

Cool thanks for the info. This will be one to watch for me. I note that your unit packs on your website look quite reasonable too.

One decent AAR and I think I'm a goner.

Leigh

LordMKG, I can no longer access your site … something to do wth your server firewall blocking my IP address … can you asist?

Can you send me you IP on orders at assaultpublishing dot com? I'll see what I can do. You may connect using proxy server and if you wish you place the order at the mail shown above (I'll prepare PayPal invoice).

email sent :)

Some Hinds in Kabul :)

And an old BTR/BRDM wreck, didn't get too close as the area wasn't de-mined :)

Beautiful machines, aren't they (maybe with exception of BTR/BRDM :P)?

Anyway I've just finished working on the rules of Bo-105 (export), additional Eurocopter Tigers and Panavia Tornado IDS/ADV. They should be on the page soon.

Gentlemen,

On Assault Publishing ( hind-commander.com ) webpage you may get the additional rules of Bo 105, Eurocopter Tiger and Panavia Tornado.

Best regards,
Marcin

OK, I'll bite.

Have ordered some toys from your website, and will likely pick up your ruleset from Caliver at SELWG show.

Why can't I be strong… why?

Leigh

I've been cut down by some nasty virus and I have to stay at home for a few days. To do not waste time (and do not shoot myselfs due to boredom) I plan to paint one strike group and write an article about it.

Got my figures through yesterday- excellent service Mr Gerkowicz!

More detail on these than some 6mm models I've got.

Leigh

I do my best :)
Yap, the miniatures are great, the details are outstanding. And anyway I've got them in really good prices, as the cost of single mini is nearly the same as if you would purchase the whole blister, but in HC you need not 15 indentical tanks or 8 helicopters of the same type.

I personally hope that the sets are worth the Game or I'll have to give my book as the present for the friends until the grave :D

Anyway call me Marcin or better MKG to do not be mistaken with Marcin from Oddzial Osmy who made these minis :)

Anyway I wish to inform you that US Pico Armor becomes the AP distributor and within a while they should have Hind Commander on stock. :)

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I would like to see several articles:
- Detailed aar
- how to build a strike group

What others like me alreafy own the rules think about it.

I like it a lot the rules. Really clever focusing in helis and electronics.

Thankd

"- how to build a strike group"
I work on such aticle.

But in the meantime just the quick news:
1. "Birthday action" has just started: order now and get some really cool models as the present! The quantity of presents is limited!
2. There is a first, short review published on Wargames and Walking.

More details on assaultpublishing.com