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Tango01 Supporting Member of TMP23 Aug 2011 11:33 a.m. PST

In this link.

cantinieres.com


AND… how they looks like?

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If it is nearly the truth, I want the time-machine NOW!.


Hope you enjoy!.

Amicalement
Armand

Personal logo FingerandToeGlenn Sponsoring Member of TMP23 Aug 2011 12:47 p.m. PST

Regarding your second link, I rest upon a common saying from my AF days (early 70s): 95% of all WAF are beautiful, the other five per cent are stationed at your base.

Spreewaldgurken23 Aug 2011 1:06 p.m. PST

Tom Cardoza is the man. He's THE expert on this subject in the English-speaking world, so if he says it… I believe it.

Edwulf23 Aug 2011 6:52 p.m. PST

Wishes I was still re enacting. And single.

Edwulf23 Aug 2011 6:54 p.m. PST

And fluent in Spanish, polish and Russian.

forwardmarchstudios23 Aug 2011 10:22 p.m. PST

Some of those girls are a bit more reality than fantasy…..
But there are a few cute ones, certainly.

AICUSV24 Aug 2011 6:44 a.m. PST

Zinc tonnelet carrying brandy – zinc and alcohol – no wonder the French lost the FPW.

As to women in uniforms, never that big a fan. Always liked them out of uniform better. (yeah I know I'm a pig)

Edwulf24 Aug 2011 9:28 a.m. PST

True. The two Spanish girls are pretty though.

Cuirassier24 Aug 2011 8:37 p.m. PST

"Following the Drum: Cantinières" article written by Tom Holmberg.

Cantinières held commissions from a regiment's or battalion's council of administration to sell to that unit's soldiers food or drink beyond that which may be provided as rations. Cantinières were required to be married to a soldier of the regiment; if their husband was killed in action she would often marry another enlisted man to retain her position.

Some cantinières served up to 30 years in the army. The cantinière was required to sell her goods at a fair price on pain of confiscation. She received no pay, living off her earnings and that of her husband. The cantinière was a civilian contractor subject to military discipline. The cantinière wore no regulation uniform, her garb might be a mixture of civilian and military wear-- a bonnet de police, a peasant dress with an apron, a pelisse or shawl and sabots. Other cantinières might be well turned out by the regimental commander or with plundered clothes.

Some cantinières had their children in tow even on campaign. One eyewitness recalled seeing a cantinière washing her linen in the Danube on campaign. "She had an infant at her breast, two other small ones nearby." She told him, "I have made eight campaigns and this one has been the best. I followed the regiment because I loved a sergeant….He gave me a child, I bore it in the ambulance." Some would follow their captured husbands into prison. A cantinière who followed her regiment into captivity on the 'death camp' isle of Cabrera, gave birth to twins, yet "was seen constantly working to help the sick prisoners."

The most important of the cantinière's wares was alcohol, usually brandy of various qualities, ranging from 'rotgut' to the best cognac. She carried this in her red-white-and-blue-painted 'tonnelet', a small cask which was hung from a wide leather strap across her chest. She also carried a number of small cups of tin or copper which held about two ounces to serve her precious brew. In addition to dispensing drink and food, a cantinière might also do cooking, laundry or sewing for a fee. She might also fetch firewood and water and indulge in a little foraging and looting if the opportunity arose. "None of my stock has cost me a sou," one explained. "It all came from the regiment. The old ones set aside a share of the last pillage for me. And it is to these same soldiers that I sell the provisions that they willingly pay for and which they did not trouble to keep or to transport." The cantinière also provided much-missed female companionship to men away from their mothers, sisters and wives. General Lasalle wrote a song about a cantinière on the eve of Marengo: "She likes to laugh, she likes to drink, she likes to sing like us." Some cantinières however were much disliked. When a cantinière's buggy with an officer's wife overturned in the Danube, the officer's wife was rescued but no one was willing to go to the aid of the poor cantinière. The regimental cantine was a social gathering place for the regiment, where they could drink, smoke, gamble or converse.

On days of battle the cantinière might dispense her drinks to the soldiers for free, sometimes under fire. This could be a boon to the men dry-mouthed from fear or biting cartridges. She might also help carry away or tend the wounded. Though technically a non-combatant, a cantinière might go armed and was willing to use her weapon. As one officer observed, "Many cantinières were as brave as veteran grenadiers." The same dangers that confronted a soldier of her regiment on campaign would also imperil the cantinière, including death or wounds in battle, disease, rape or robbery at the hands of the enemy or stragglers, inclement weather, long marches, etc. A cantinière of the 14th legere carried her wounded husband on her back for five miles to an ambulance. Another of the 57th of the Line was mentioned in dispatches for having, under a hail of bullets, "twice entered a ravine where our troops were fighting in order to distribute two barrels of brandy." The celebrated Marie Tête-de-bois, served in a Line regiment until 1814 and then in the Guard and was killed in 1815 during the last combats around Paris. A cantinière was wounded at the battle of Lützen while distributing cartridges with one hand and brandy with the other.

Read the full article here: link


Below… Madame Bru, cantinière of the 7th French Hussars (painted in 1837)

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The cantinières/vivandières became even more popular during the Second French Empire.

In 1859, French Zouaves played a gallant part as France and Piedmont/Sardinia warred with Austria for control of northern Italy during the Franco-Austrian War. In the bloody battle of Magenta on June 4, the Zouave regiment of the French Imperial Guard earned 10 crosses of the Légion d'honneur and 50 Military Medals (Medaille Militaire). Among the recipients of the latter award was Madame Rossini, the regiment's cantinière, the first woman to be decorated with the Medaille Militaire.

Cantinière of a French Zouave regiment during the Crimean War

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Madame Bourselet in the 1860's (cantinière of one of the Grenadier regiments of the French Imperial Guard)

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Uniform of cantinière of the Zouave regiment of the French Guard

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Uniform of cantinière of the Guides (light cavalry regiment of the French Guard)

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Madame Bourcier (cantinière of the 3rd Grenadiers of the French Guard)

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Cantinière of the Train des Equipages of the French Guard

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Clovis Sangrail25 Aug 2011 4:03 a.m. PST

Go and see the play "Mother Courage and her children" by Bertolt Breckt for a less romaniticised view.

XV Brigada25 Aug 2011 4:33 p.m. PST

23, 98 and 100 my tent, midnight, bring a friend:-)

Bill

Art Pendragon30 Aug 2011 11:06 p.m. PST

I prefer this view…

7, 23, 46, 60, 67, 81, 127, 157, 161, and 189 have garde de nuit for an entire week on my tent…

Art

Tango01 Supporting Member of TMP14 Sep 2011 9:42 a.m. PST

You are so well training Art Pendragon!!.
My admiration for you!! (smile).

Amicalement
Armand

Dr Mathias Fezian21 Nov 2011 5:37 a.m. PST

Amazing… I had no idea.

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