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Mako1118 Jul 2011 7:57 p.m. PST

Given that it's been almost 30 years since the conflict, I'd like to know if there are any detailed accounts of the submarine operations during the Falklands War (in English), especially from the Argentine point of view?

I've seen some anecdotes on British sub ops, but would be interested in maneuvers by the opposition as well.

I'm especially interested in the Argentine account, since an antiquated diesel-electric was able to elude the Royal Navy, despite a number of units looking for her. Granted, hunting for subs in shallow water is challenging, but given her age, I'm surprised she was able to elude the British.

It would be interesting to know where she operated, and how it was able to evade the surface forces and British subs hunting for her.

Rumors are she may have sighted the RN surface vessels hunting for her, and even attempted an unsuccessful torpedo attack on them.

I know the other Argentine sub was caught on the surface early in the war, and badly damaged by helo-fired ASM's, knocking her out of the fight.

dragon618 Jul 2011 10:08 p.m. PST

Why do you considered San Luis antiquated?

I believe she was constructed in the late seventies and the Type 209 submarines were good.

There is a tinsy bit here
link

more here
PDF link

--
zonk

Mako1118 Jul 2011 11:55 p.m. PST

Thanks for the links.

I was thinking of the Guppies.

You are quite right, the Type 209's are very good, assuming they have well-trained crews.

(Nameo Falso)19 Jul 2011 2:03 a.m. PST

Do you read Spanish? There's a free e-book on the Santa Fe:

link

An interesting articles with some good photos here:

link

link

If you search for 'submarinos + guerra de malvinas' you will turn up a lot more.

Klebert L Hall19 Jul 2011 4:39 a.m. PST

Mostly hiding, or getting caught on the surface.
-Kle.

sjolly H419 Jul 2011 9:25 a.m. PST

Quote "You are quite right, the Type 209's are very good, assuming they have well-trained crews"

I heard they had made an attack or two on the British fleet, but they had faulty torpedoes and was unable to sink anything. The Brits were certainly concerned about them!

Mako1119 Jul 2011 9:31 a.m. PST

Do you read Spanish?

Sadly, no, other than the occasional word or two.

Yes, the second reference, the Pdf makes mention of the torpedo faults, which I'd read before, but forgot about.

Appears the Santa Fe hung out close to the islands most of the time, if not in Falklands Sound. No doubt, probably spent a lot of time on the bottom, listening for targets, and hoping for a good ambush.

Bertie19 Jul 2011 10:00 a.m. PST

Dear Mako,
Try this for the British point of view:
hmsbrilliant.com
Look up the diary entries for 1st May 1982.
Yarmouth's account is here:
link

Brilliant and Yarmouth plus three Seakings hunting for San Luis… at least two torpedoes fired by Brilliant, 14 mortar rounds by Yarmouth, plus 13 depth charges and 8 torpedoes from the Seakings, whilst San Luis fired at least one torpedo, all to no effect, (although apparently some whales copped it.)
We tried this scenario ot as a test for my rules and it turned out to be quite accurate: we had a great game with absolutely no result!
Cheers,
Bertie

emckinney19 Jul 2011 11:09 a.m. PST

translate.google.com is your friend!

Albert Hall19 Jul 2011 2:24 p.m. PST

I know Admiral Woodward was concerned about their submarines as he'd trained several of their captains.

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