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Andrew Preziosi15 Jul 2011 10:54 a.m. PST

Just thought I'd pop in and let everyone here know what's been going on with the book and where we're at.

First off…I still have commitments to get the TANGA (Legion Wargames) and Wellington in India (GMT) games out.

The good news is that TANGA should be out of my hands next month and going to print before the end of the year.

RHB and I also talked about "WiI" and we're both in agreement that we should be, essentially, finished with the game (roughly 90% +/-) by the end of the year…which will free up even more time for me.

Now…back to the book proper:

I was able to get ahold of the elusive and rare "Punjab Blue Book" and I am very, very close to coming up with the first real Sikh Khalsa Army Orders of Battle for Chillianwalla and Gujerat. I just need to keep reading and digging for more information and there should be no real problem going from where I'm at now to creating the first definitive Sikh OBs for these two battles…so that would be a MAJOR breakthrough.

I'm reading two books at once on the subject now, I have several other books lying open to refer too and I'm also learning a lot…especially about how everything went downhill for the British so quickly and I can't wait to present the information to you.

At the same time, I'll be polishing the 1st Sikh War OB book and including new material there.

On top of that, Patrick and I will INCLUDE a VERY RARE 19th Century book on the 2nd Sikh War as an appendice to my book, along with a lot of beautiful artwork from rare and hard to find period newspapers and some modern photographs too. These two items alone will make my book a must have item!

At this point in time I cannot say when, exactly, I'll be done with the book. But I can say this much:

I've been on a roll for the past two months trying to crack codes and read information rarely seen or read by the public and I'm not stopping now. There may be days and weeks ahead where I will have to concentrate on working on getting Tanga and Wellington in India completed, but I promise you this much…I will devote all my spare time to reading through all the primary and secondary source material in my possesion and devote at least one day towards writing, note taking or order of battle creation, no matter how busy I am. The faster I clear my plate from Tanga and WiI, the more I can devote to this book.

I'm on a roll, I'm very enthusiastic and now that there is light at the end of the tunnel from my other projects, I want to devote as much time and effort as I can to this book.

And…the good thing is…once I'm finally done…I'm going to be starting on the first English account on the Wars of Dahomey from 1890-1894 and then Tonkin 1882-1886.

Stay tuned!

Andrew

Personal logo The Virtual Armchair General Sponsoring Member of TMP15 Jul 2011 11:27 a.m. PST

Dear Andy,

As your publisher on these items, let me say the I'm first to express something between absolute delight, and absolute disbelief.

However, whatever you're drinking/snorting/popping/pushing these days, for Gawdz sake, DON'T STOP!

TVAG

Happy Wanderer15 Jul 2011 4:47 p.m. PST

Great stuff Andrew,

You don't get lots of responses to your bounding enthusiasm on TMP sometimes, but your work is much appreciated in bringing to light the fascinating subject of the Sikh Wars. Hopefully more interest will be generated and even a minatures line will develop from your efforts.

Looking forward to seeing the results.

Keep up the good work.

Kindest regards


HappyW

Personal logo Ogdenlulimus Supporting Member of TMP16 Jul 2011 6:14 a.m. PST

Have your older work and looking forward to the updating.

Thanks for all the hard work.

Oggie

brigadierdundas.blogspot.com

Andrew Preziosi16 Jul 2011 7:05 a.m. PST

Thank you for your comments, Gentlefolk…very much appreciated.

I figured I'd give you a little bit of a glimpse into what I've been doing just this morning and the obstacles I'm facing.

The Blue Book begins in early 1847 and contains all the official correspondence and despatches that passed back and forth between the NWF, Mooltan, Lahore and Calcutta (and all points in between) during the next three years and is an absolute gold mine.

Right now I am at the part of the eruption of Chuttur Singh's Division in Hazara, the Bannu Division Mutiny and the Peshawar Mutiny.

The problem with these accounts is that officers like Abbott, Lawrence, Nicholson, Edwardes and others are so well known to each other and versed on just what regiment is what, that they often confuse the issue by referring to

Infantry Paltan Sooraj Khan

as (fictional examples below):

Sooraj Khan's Infantry Regiment (Stationed at Hooti Buudhi)

Khan's Ramgole Infantry Regiment

The Sikh Ramgole Regiment

Commandant Singh's Sikh Regiment (Sooraj Khan being the Inhaber)

The Hooti Buudhi Regiment

…and a few other (un)known references that are easily passed on by officers who know just what they are referring to and know that the person they are writing to also knows exactly which regiment they are talking about.

So, I'm trying to track this regiment from, let's say Hazara to Peshawar and now to the Chenab, and I have to note every single reference given to that particular regiment across the space of three months in order to keep up.

It's not easy, but the good news is that I LIVE for stuff like this and so far I've been doing well. Of course, there are holes that exist, but having the Holy Grail of the Khalsa at my side (The Khalsa Durbar Book), really helps with this and so far, I'm keeping my head above water.

I may not have a Chillianwallah OB where it says:

Sikh Left Flank:

Paltan X
Paltan Y
Paltan Z
Dragoon Rajman #1
Jhinsi Artillery Derah Rabbi Noidberger

but it looks like I will be able to say:

The following regiments were on the field of battle at Chillianwallah (see the above) and that would be the first time these regiments would ever be noted as present at Chillianwallah.

I hope that gives you an insight into what I'm doing and striving for.

Anderson Collection16 Jul 2011 10:57 a.m. PST

Good stuff looking forward to the completion of this work.
Cheers

Willie

little o Inactive Member16 Jul 2011 11:32 a.m. PST

Is there a website or discussion group for the Wellington game? Very excited to hear about this, and GMT's involvement. Could this lead to an India game series perhaps?
Mike D

Andrew Preziosi16 Jul 2011 7:00 p.m. PST

Mike (et al),

Yep, there sure is:

link

The above is where we started earlier this year and is complete with running commentary, graphics, history and some humor.

Feel free to post the link elsewhere if you so desire!

Cundiff16 Jul 2011 9:03 p.m. PST

Howdy Andy,

Tell you what, if you know what the book is going to cost, let me know and I will pay up front and years ahead of time (I've done that with games before – haven't lost so far). As you know, I, like you, have a keen interest in the British Colonial era, and India, Afghanistan, and the Northwest Territory and have had since I was in junior high … and trust me that was a long time ago.

Take Care,
Tom
Old Soldiers Magazine (publisher) oldsoldiersmagazine.com
White Dog Games (graphic designer) whitedoggames.com
Ernie Pyle WWII Museum (Director) erniepyle.net

Andrew Preziosi17 Jul 2011 5:42 a.m. PST

Tom…appreciated, but I have no idea at the cost of printing the book anywhere from 6 months to a year from now, so all I can say is "stay tuned", Patrick will be the first one to let you know when we're ready to go.

Appreciate the trust and enthusiasm though!

Personal logo The Virtual Armchair General Sponsoring Member of TMP17 Jul 2011 11:42 a.m. PST

Andrew! If the new book is not ready for sale by Christmas, 2011, I will personally blow you from a gun with a weak powder charge!

TVAG!

Andrew Preziosi17 Jul 2011 1:15 p.m. PST

Whoopee!

I was just able to snag the elusive "Siege of Mooltan" Journal by Major H. Siddons…another Goldmine!

Cundiff20 Jul 2011 3:25 p.m. PST

Are any of these Sikh Wars books available as electronic text? I've collected a few myself that way, and would love to ad to my collection. And, yes I do indeed read those … I may simply collect books that "one day I will read --- when I get to them 50 years after they plant me" … but I DO read anything I can get my hands on regarding India, Afghanistan, and the Northwest Frontier.

Tom
Old Soldiers Magazine (publisher) oldsoldiersmagazine.com
White Dog Games (graphic designer) whitedoggames.com
Ernie Pyle WWII Museum (Director) erniepyle.net

sjwalker3821 Jul 2011 2:07 p.m. PST

Patrick, put me down for an advance copy as soon as you have the details…and then I'll have to buy the flags from you…once GTSTE is released…and after you issue flags for the Indian Mutiny…

Andrew Preziosi25 Jul 2011 1:20 p.m. PST

I just finished going through my Acrobat .pdf version of The Punjab Blue Book (though I'm still reading the book on my Nook). Having also gone through Edwardes "Year in the Punjab", I am now starting to work on the Interim Years 1846-48 Sikh Khalsa OBs…to include the khalsa at various stages (thanks to the Khalsa Durbar Records) and also containing the hitherto ignored NWF, Bannu, Hazara and Cashmere expeditions that took place during the two year interim…all rare stuff, indeed!

I still have lots of note-taking to do with all the books I have to read (or go over again), but I have all the Multan OBs complete, so this is just about the only remaining "gap" I have to fill in…after that it's just polish; at least as far as the OB's are concerned.

Cundiff25 Jul 2011 6:20 p.m. PST

Howdy Andy and Pat,

Mailed that disk of Sikh and Indian pdf books today. Pat, whenever you get round to compiling a list of customers for that Sikh book, just add my name and let me know. I'll be happy to pay ahead of time.

Take Care,
Tom
Old Soldiers Magazine (publisher) oldsoldiersmagazine.com
White Dog Games (graphic designer) whitedoggames.com
Ernie Pyle WWII Museum (Director) erniepyle.net

Andrew Preziosi25 Jul 2011 7:19 p.m. PST

Thanks Tom…greatly appreciated!

Andrew Preziosi28 Jul 2011 9:54 p.m. PST

More Sikh War Stuff:

Finished the Interim period KDR record OBs today and will start working on the interim period British led NWF expeds tomorrow.

I did want to say, that along with everything else, there are a few other things I want to accomplish with this book, such as:

A re-examination of the Buddowal Campaign prior to the battle of Aliwal. This has usually been glossed over in most books, but after reading several first hand accounts, it seems that this incident was very much knife edged as to who the victor might have been.

How the combination of Lord Dalhousie, General Gough and Sir Frederick Currie contributed to a localized uprising turned into a full fledged revolt.

and

The almost completely ignored Doab insurrections that were skillfully dealt with and handled by scratch forces and brigades, ranging from Cureton and Wheeler, to district administrative officials supported by either a few Guides or Nicholson and his embryonic Pashtun horse.

But, for now, back to plowing through my notes for more OBs later today.

Andrew Preziosi04 Aug 2011 7:10 a.m. PST

Scored some more major goodies over the past few days:

The Lahore Blue Book…which covers the first year of the supervised Lahore Durbar from March 1846 to January 1847.

"An Account of Lord Hardinge's Administration"…which fills in and clarify's a lot of information during the 1st Sikh War period…including me having to make an apology in the upcoming book from a previous comment I had made about him.

and…

The Bombay Field Force Division GGO, detailing the formation of the Northern Scinde Field Force, which was destined to march to assist in the Siege of Multan.

Other little goodies also found, which always help fill in a crack here or there.

Stay tuned!

Andrew Preziosi31 Aug 2011 10:33 a.m. PST

Sikh War Book Update:

Just thought I'd fill everyone in on what I've accomplished recently, which has been extensive work on the Khalsa "Evolutionary" OBs from 1799 to late 1845. Even though I'm about three-quarters of the way through revamping these OBs and despite having a few "plug in" primers to help (mainly with the Ghorchurra Derahs), there is a LOT of work involved.

Right now, even though I working on the circa 1840 OBs, each one takes about two hours to complete, despite having the 1st Generation of all these OBs to work from. The main reason for the considerable effort involved deals with the fact that the army grows larger each year, thereby new units are added each time and that neither the original Kalsa Durbar Records keeper or Professor Kohli bothered to list units in order of seniority; which I have done, scrupulously, since the very first formal OB. They do keep track of name changes and major events, which helps immensely, but most times what was the First Regiment becomes the 99th Regiment or Brigade A turns into Brigade Z and I have to track those changes and wrangle them back into place. This is especially important during the "Brigade" period as their seniority was often the clue as to whether the brigade or its subordinate units was regular or jagirdari.

But, the good news, for everyone reading this, is that I've been keeping track of all units since the first OB and each one is listed in order of seniority (despite name changes) from the first OB to the last, allowing you to know exactly which paltan, rajman or derah was from year to year (other than the three or four units that just "Poof" and disappear over the course of four decades).

So, I'm plugging away, but will take a bit of a breather this weekend in order to catch a movie and play a game and clear my head a bit before forging ahead (and even that is relative since I'm constantly reading two Sikh War books or documents whenever I'm not at the computer).

I now think I know how "Lili von Schtuppe" felt! huh?

DinOfBattle231 Aug 2011 11:20 a.m. PST

I'm going to have to pick up this Sikh Wars book. I will also love any dealings with the Tonkin wars. I just bought an old S&T 200 "Campaigns of the French Foreign Legion" game that covers both Tonkin and Dahomey. To very interesting colonial campaigns. I plan to refight the Tonkin in 15mm.

DinOfBattle231 Aug 2011 11:24 a.m. PST

Is Patrick going to have pre-orders for this book?

Oh, when can I expect to see some Imperial Chinese flags to go against my Pingers, Patrick?

Personal logo The Virtual Armchair General Sponsoring Member of TMP31 Aug 2011 12:34 p.m. PST

Gentlemen All!

The "Sikh Wars Source Book" will indeed be offered by Subscription prior to printing, as is the usual practice here at TVAG. The timing and price are all very much in the air as I can't get (for understandable reasons) Andrew to "set" a date after which I can determine page count and such features that will determine the Printers' price. But, when that has been done, the Subscription will begin "toot sweet."

Regarding the Indian Mutiny Flags, and the LONG delayed Manchu/Qing Flags, all I can say is that my Flag Man, Eric Cox, has had a number of "real world" distractions, and I can only continue to encourage him to return to the mines.

Mind, these will likely be his best work to date, and that is saying something, as I know his many customers are well aware.

…And, as soon as I can pry the Sikh Wars ms from Andy's clasp, he's supposed to go back and finish his work on the Dahomey Campaign, and that alone will knock everyone's socks off.

I am painfully and personally aware of how hard the times are, and the difficulty of many of us to find "disposable" income for such goodies as all these. However, allow me to encourage everyone who has expressed interest in any/all of these projects under development to put back as little as $5.00 USD each week or two, and it should be possible to jump on your choice without having to put your kidneys up on E-Bay.

Pray for the health of parties involved, and we'll see all this wonderful stuff--and more!--in good time.

TVAG

DinOfBattle201 Sep 2011 5:05 a.m. PST

Thanks for the update Patrick! Soooo many good things coming!

Andrew Preziosi16 Sep 2011 7:10 a.m. PST

Sikh War Book Update

I finally finished transcribing the Khalsa Durbar Records last night…every single OB and parade state from 1799-1848 is now entered. It was a tough and time consuming slog, but well worth it.

However, I'm just done with the heavy lift, I have to go back and check for errors on both my part and the authors. While the KDR is a goldmine…there are a lot of loose pilings, rafters and supports in there and it's dangerous territory.

Professor Kohli was not perfect, but he did a great job…especially considering he had to translate from both Persian and Shikastra into English. I have the easy part, but a lot of simple and easily caught mistakes were made by Kohli (and Parshad) and I have had to keep eagle eyes open during the whole process just to insure that if I made a mistake, I could go back a step or two to double check.

But the tough work is over and now I just have to go back and mop things up…it will take time, but 80% of the work is done.

The very good thing is that when I am done, other than a "one more time" review of ALL the OBs…I can proceed with the manuscript.

Patrick has some excellent artwork to use with the book and there will be all sorts of other goodies and surprises that we're keeping mum about for now.

I should be able to go over and make corrections to the existing 1stSW manuscript by the end of the month and hopefully get going on the 2nd Sikh War manuscript no later than November.

I'll update you in another few weeks or so.

As always, Thanks for your interest and enthusiastic support!

Andrew

Andrew Preziosi08 Oct 2011 7:00 a.m. PST

October Update

Only one update this month due to the fact that Patrick and I both agree that now is the time to get the fundamentals done and make sure the foundation is solid before moving forward.

This means:

Consolidating all of the OBs in one single folder (and back up thumb drive) and renumbering/renaming them in chronological order. This also means going over them one more time to check to see that they are all complete and correct.

(This weekend I am going over evolution of the Sikh Army (Khalsa) OBs to make sure all Colonel/Commandant names are included (if available) and to match up the Ghorchurra regimental strengths over the course of some 50 years.)

During this period I will also format a complete glossary of terms, titles and abreviations, to include a adjoint where variations of Silh proper names are listed and, in some cases, explained.

When that task is completed, I will then layout a new Table of Contents and book outline. Even though the 1st Sikh War narrative is written, it needs to be updated and expanded with new, and important, information.

While attempting these amazing "feets", I'm still reading manuscripts, scribbling notes and gathering information. I just finished Lepel Griffin's "Punjab Chiefs" and right now am reading Colonel ASH Mountain's amazing book of letters, one of the most interesting accounts of any I've read to date.

Once all of this foundation laying, nuts and bolts work is completed,I can then finally work on writing the book itself and that should not take terribly much time at all.

Indeed, Patrick has sent me lovely pictures of Mafia slayings and murders with target dates of "St. Valentine's Day" or "The Ides of March" in the captions…and I'm not kidding either!

So thats it for now…I will be busy getting the framework complete and in order this month and moving forward in November.

Stay tuned…and as always, thank you for your interest and support.

Andrew

Andrew Preziosi18 Nov 2011 9:26 a.m. PST

Sikh War Booklet Update

A lot has happened since my last update, well over a month ago, so I'd better start filling you in:

First…all of the Orders of Battle are complete, save for last minute confirmation checks on content. There are well over one hundred and twenty (120)individual orders of battle, starting in 1799 and going all the way through 1849, and that does not include the smaller in text order of battle nuggets detailing the composition of small field forces or garrisons strewn throughout the narratives. The orders of battle are separated into five major groupings and will take up anywhere from one quarter to one third of the book:

The Birth and Evolution of the Khalsa (40 + 3 OBs)

The First Sikh War (20)

The Interim Period: NWF and Kashmir (30)

The Campaign and Siege of Mooltan (12)

The Second Sikh War (11)

Second…Here is the projected table of contents for the text so far completed, or approaching completion:

Original and 2nd Edition, Introduction & Acknowledgements

The Rise and Evolution of the Khalsa:
A Brief overview of Ranjit Singh and his military prowess

Twenty Nine (39) Parade States and Orders of Battle dealing with the Evolution of the Khalsa from 1799-1849.

Tackling the Khalsa Durbar Records

Marching to War:

Khalsa to Catastrophe:Chaos as Statecraft-Chris Ferree-possibly updated

View from the Other Side Orders of Battle:
Four (4) Parade States and Orders of Battle

A Concise History of the First Sikh War, 1845-46

The Lion of the Punjab
I, Ranjit
The Road to War
Far from Blind…
…but hard of hearing
Organization of the Armies
Opening Moves
The Battle of Mudki (Moodkee)
Ferozeshah: An Empire Trembles
The Buddewal Campaign
Aliwal: The Battle without a mistake
Sobraon: The Final Victory
Postscript
Sikh Treachery

Updated The Lion's Teeth: The Artillery of the Khalsa …by Neil Carleton

1st Sikh War Orders of Battle:

Twenty (20) Orders of Battle

A Greatly Expanded-Note on British Orders of Battle
Revised Problems with Sikh Sources

As you can see above, I have finally given the Buddewal Campaign its proper place in the history of the 1st Sikh War. Long neglected or glossed over, I've done my best to show how small Anglo-Indian army columns were able to march from across the compass in order to tackle Sikh incursions against the strategic right flank of the Army of the Punjab and how close they came to being utterly defeated by the best Sikh general of the war.

I am also offering an analysis of each battle in order to point out the salient factors that contributed to British victory or their near defeat.

ThirdExcept for one brief overview article, the "front" of the book is complete. That includes a very brief history of the Khalsa and the 1st Sikh War chapter, most of the related appendices and the sidebar articles. I will be finishing the 1st SW appendices over the next few weeks and be poised to complete the Interim year's narrative in December. That means the book is well past the halfway point in terms of writing and is still projected for release during the first half on 2012.

Fourth…I took the time to create a rather painstakingly detailed "Daily March Log" for the Army of the Sutlej during the 1st Sikh War, so you can track the movements of the army, governor general, commander in chief and any large subordinate columns on a day to day basis.

I also plan on doing the same thing for the Second Sikh War, but I am not sure I will be able to do that for the entire Mooltan chapter, since that campaign lasted almost ten months.

This is a first for any history book dealing with the Sikh wars and I am very proud of being able to cobble it together from over thirty different sources!

Fifth…Neil Carleton, Dennis McKinney and Chris Ferree are either providing updated articles on the political background to the war and the Sikh artillery or new material on the weapons each Royal and HEIC regiment used during the 1st and 2nd Sikh wars.

Sixth…Patrick Wilson will begin the editing process and formatting the layout of the book in early December, after I send him the orders of battle and completed articles. That means that he'll be able to "plug in" each new chapter as I complete them, thereby speeding up the process of getting the book ready for the printer accomplished within a very short turnaround period.

And finally…[b Renowned 19th Century European military history expert and author, Mike Embree, has volunteered to proof read the book before it goes through Patrick Wilson's final editorial process. Patrick and I are very excited that Mike has volunteered to help us and we're both sure that he will assist us in not only providing a smooth narrative, but will find any holes or questions that may exist in the regards to the information provided in the historical accounts.

So…as you can see, a lot has been accomplished, but much more still needs to be done. I will be plugging away this weekend, taking a break midweek next for Thanksgiving cooking and cleaning and then back at the keyboard by next Friday.

I'm very proud of this book and the fact that I am presenting information that has not seen the light of day in almost one hundred and thirty years!

I hope you will be as pleased with the final effort too!

Andrew Preziosi

link

DinOfBattle218 Nov 2011 10:04 a.m. PST

Sounds very impressive. I'm sure Patrick will let us know when we can preorder?

Personal logo Cheriton Supporting Member of TMP18 Nov 2011 10:20 a.m. PST

>>Sounds very impressive. I'm sure Patrick will let us know when we can preorder?<<

Yes, indeed, please let us know…

guinness

Personal logo The Virtual Armchair General Sponsoring Member of TMP18 Nov 2011 12:41 p.m. PST

Please, Gentlemen, have no fears!

I anticipate that this will be the best selling book yet to come from TVAG, and I'm not going to risk anyone not knowing when it's available. Naturally, as is my practice, there will be a pre-publication Subscription, but I never open one of these until the FINISHED product is in hand and it's at most a matter of weeks--not months--before it is in the subscribers' hands.

I really want to offer this book NOW, but Andrew ultimately controls that as he assembles the ediface. When it's in hand, one portion at a time, and put together, ready for the Printers, I'll let everyone know.

Layout should not (I hope!) be too big an issue, but part of the plan is to include illustrations rarely if ever seen in print (in English, at least), as well as maps and more that will make this the most complete resource book ever written on the subject in any language.

No brag; just fact.

TVAG

DinOfBattle218 Nov 2011 2:53 p.m. PST

I can't wait to read this wonderful creation!

Andrew Preziosi19 Mar 2012 7:52 a.m. PST

I forgot to x-post this when originally posted several days ago:

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Andrew Preziosi19 Jan 2013 9:48 a.m. PST

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Andrew Preziosi19 Jan 2013 9:49 a.m. PST

To those interested parties…

Expect a Sikh War Book Update, no later than early February.

(I'll try and post updates at least once a month from here on out, more the closer I get to getting this project completed).

Teaser Alert…TVAG is actually smiling!

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