"Trojan War - 15mm" Topic

I have done searches here on TMP about 15mm recommendations for the Trojan War, and see that Chariot, Museum, Essex, Old Glory, and a few others make "suitable" figures in 15mm for this conflict. However, what I do not see is any mention of if these figures could be used together (some mentions of height, but really, men are of varying height, it's the compatability of weapons and bulk of the figure that should determine mixed use). The Chariot poses look a bit "strange" to me, arms that are overly long and bulked up.

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I like some variety within units, so are the aforementioned figures "mixable"?

Of course, anyone who has any comparison shots is highly encouraged to share them!

I have lots of Chariot and Essex in my collection, generally in seperate units. Essex are a little taller and fatter, but the two lines are fairly compatible IMO. Minifig also mix well with Essex and Chariot. Old Glory are a lot bigger, and I've stayed away from them.

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"I like some variety within units, so are the aforementioned figures "mixable"?"

I think Essex and Old Glory would mix, and probably with Black Hat as well.
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Personally, I like the Chariot line the best, and would be interested in comparing it to Black Hat, although I suspect BH will be too robust by comparison. Chariot gets the proportion, equipment and clothing (where there is any) the best, IMO. Puts me in mind of the frescoes in Crete.

Zippy – PM sent!

Konkurur – So what you are saying is that the painted examples on the Navigator website do not do the Chariot figs justice? The figures look so long-armed to me.

I guess worse case is I could buy a pack from each company, of the same type, and compare them, but that could become very costly in terms of shipping.

I've mixed Old Glory and Magister Militum successfully.

Buckeye, they are petite and lanky. The lanky does not bother me, as it looks like the bull dancers and so on in Cretan art.
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The paint jobs are not terrible, but they are mediocre and do not do the figures justice. I have thought about this army many times, and if I was going to build it I would go exclusively with Chariot. That is a minority opinion I am sure, but Chariot just captures the look of the people and their artifacts better than others (IMO) and offers sufficient variety that mixing is not really necessary. Another positive is that because they are smaller minis, it is easier to get their chariots on conventional bases.

Personal tastes – you might ask around if anyone has some to compare.

I like the Chariot.

But I was very impressed by the Old Glory line (even taking reduced expectations into account) and can't wait to finish them up. Easy paint.

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Shameless plugs when related to the topic are most welcomed! Thanks, Baueda! Question though…does those buildings have lift off roofs? My inclination for gaming Troy is to use Before the Gates of Troy and have more of a skirmish feel, so having the ability to place figures inside buildings would be a big plus!

Konkurur – You are leading me towards the Chariot path, but hoping they will blend with Museum and Essex still? Seemingly the Museum line appears to be sculpted "better" but perhaps I should see all I can in the flesh first. Those Chariot arms just seem to be sooooo long!

Old Glory, eh, visigoth?

Maybe I should just bite the postage bullet and get some of each 15mm manufacturer!

Chariot will NOT mix well with Museum! Both are good ranges, but they are each at the scale extremes. The top of a Chariot spearman's head would be close to the jawline on a typical Museum casting. I just looked over the Museum range again, and it has a LOT more options than I remember.

Either of those ranges would be sufficient within themselves. Museum is sculpted better with regards to the men. The boars' tusk helmets, kilt/loin cloths and figure of eight shields of Chariot are better renditions IMO. They are exquisite, and make me think of the hall and hospitality and gift giving scenes in the Iliad.

I had a thought while driving around with my dog. (Her fidelity and calm cheer always helps me think freely for some reason) Exactly how wedded are you to specifically or solely the Trojan War?

A mix of styles, body types and armor would be entirely appropriate in immediate dark ages that marked the fall of the Minoan civilization. That would enable you to branch out more than a strict Trojan War focus would permit.

Using the FoG "Swifter than Eagles" list supplement as an example, some 1400 – 1300 BCish miniatures organized by troop type could be used for the following armies:

31 (later minoan) or --->Early Mycenaean<---

41 Later Mycenean or Trojan

44 Sea Peoples

46 Phillistines

For each of these armies, a jumbled, roiling warband look would be just right. Perfect, in fact. A mix of Museum Essex, Old Glory and Black Hat and would be awesome for this multiple purpose army. They each have very different flavors and capabilities in the FoG rules too, IMO. You could add whistles and bells (eg Libyan or Hebrew allies) at your leisure.

For either Minoan list, I would go with either a pure Chariot or a pure Museum army, and it would be a tough choice.

yup, later period mind you.

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my colleague blackadder reviews both gladiator and og15's (which hinted on the trail). Read his thoughtful prose.

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Konkurur – Dogs are, well, the shiznit! Never complain about not taking out the trash, never nag you for not taking a shower or shaving, just loyal!

Not sure how wedded I am to the Trojan War. I watched Troy again a few days ago and thought that doing a pseudo-skirmish game in 15mm, using Before the Walls of Troy, could be a fun way to kill some hours (i.e. – drink some beers and kill some brain cells). I already have some base terrain (tiles and palms from The Terrain Guy for my Ambush Alley projects) and I look for areas that can see some cross over terrain duty with those tiles and palms.

From what you have mentioned it appears that there is no "wrong" answer. I could use one figure line exclusively (Museum or Chariot) or mix and match to get that variety of figures that I desire. I am not concerned about the proper mixing of types (warband, spear, chariot, etc.) as I am just getting the heroes and their small retinues represented. Of course I could build towards a DBA or Basic Impetus force, in case I do want to have more structured gaming. Decisions, decisions!

Visigoth – That's a pretty good article Blackadder has written. I will give it another read-through tonight and see which figures I really want to use.

Thanks, all!

SKIRMISH GAME?!?!

Why didn't you SAY so?

Ditch the beer, ditch the 15mm!

Go first class with some Hungarian Bull's Blood wine and THESE!

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"Sing, Muse, of the Wrath of Achilles, Peleus' son
which sent the souls of heroes in their thousands
howling into the underworld and left their bodies
as a feast for the dogs and carrion birds
that the will of Zeus might be accomplished."

But I did say so, just a few posts later!

Yeah, I've seen those figs, and darn it, they are nice, but because of space and costs (each hero in Before the Gates of Troy has a group of followers) 25/28mm might just be too much for me. Plus, add in the cost of some of those nice Monolith Designs 25mm buildings, and what could have been a small and cheaply done project turns into…TROY, THE PROJECT!!!! Might cause me to become single if I build Troy upon the dining room table!

And I don't want to ditch the ! With BtGoT I wouldn't have to.

Darn it, now you have me thinking BIG! I'll have to find my copy of the rules and see how many figures I really would need. Otherwise, it's back to 15mm for me!

Buckeye AKA Darryl, what did you end up ordering for BtGoT? How many figures of each?