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12 Jul 2011 5:57 p.m. PST
by Editor in Chief Bill

  • Changed title from "New Foundry Napoleonic Rules - Waterloo" to "New Warhammer Historical Napoleonic Rules - Waterloo"


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Midpoint11 Jul 2011 9:17 a.m. PST

Just received an email about two new rulesets from Warhammer Historical. One is a new Gladiator game, t'other is another set for 28s.

Sample spreads here: link

Author is Mark Latham, who did the Trafalgar set a couple of years ago.

Squinting at the sample material, it seems that in the army lists, battalions are purchased by company.

Book is £36, and I can feel the waves of enthusiasm washing towards me from the TMP mob as I type.

Midpoint11 Jul 2011 9:19 a.m. PST

And downloads available here: link

QRF and roster sheet. More than enough to review the game with :)

Skatey Inactive Member11 Jul 2011 9:47 a.m. PST

Foundry?

Midpoint11 Jul 2011 9:52 a.m. PST

Quite right Skatey – I'd just received an email from them and obviously the advert had worked on me subliminally.

I've asked Bill to change the title of the thread to something more sensical

Connard Sage Inactive Member11 Jul 2011 9:56 a.m. PST

36 quid? FRO


Just been looking at the army lists.

A [British] Line Battalion consists of three companies…

Riiiiiiiiight

Allan Mountford Inactive Member11 Jul 2011 10:06 a.m. PST

'Swivel gun (siege weapon)'

Presumably for use when besieging straw huts.

- Allan

flipper Supporting Member of TMP11 Jul 2011 10:07 a.m. PST

Hi

I just checked to see if it was April 1st …

Last Hussar11 Jul 2011 10:16 a.m. PST

How do these work – is it like WH, with individual figures?

Jovian1 Inactive Member11 Jul 2011 10:19 a.m. PST

Think War of the Ring for rules – that is how the stat lines look for War of the Ring, so I suspect that they have used that rules set as the basis for this rule set. Now, I suspect, the flogging of the rules will begin, if it hasn't already started.

Old Bear Inactive Member11 Jul 2011 10:21 a.m. PST

'Swivel gun (siege weapon)'

Presumably for use when besieging straw huts.

I'm certainly not going to waste my money on the swivel gun models – in the second edition they will pull them from the army list and replace them with Greek Fire wielders, mark my word.

Midpoint11 Jul 2011 10:23 a.m. PST

Connard,

You buy the basic unit of three companies and can then add further companies – some of them can be elite or raw from what I can read.

Connard Sage Inactive Member11 Jul 2011 10:28 a.m. PST

You buy the basic unit of three companies and can then add further companies – some of them can be elite or raw from what I can read.

Regardless, as basic information it's wrong.

British battalions had 10 companies:- 8 centre, 1 light, 1 grenadier.

And that last implies that one can mix raw and elite companies in the same battalion. Right?

I'm sure that happened a lot.

Midpoint11 Jul 2011 10:34 a.m. PST

But light and grenadier companies are often labelled as elite companies yes?

3+X is presumably the means of representing different sizes of battalion.

ArchiducCharles Inactive Member11 Jul 2011 10:37 a.m. PST

Nice eye candy though…

Iannick
clashofempires.ca

Skatey Inactive Member11 Jul 2011 10:55 a.m. PST

If they are based on War of the Ring rules then "a company" is more like "a stand of minis" then a historical company per se.

altfritz11 Jul 2011 11:04 a.m. PST

First we had the Games Workshop "Hobby", now we get Games Workshop "History".

Gunfreak Supporting Member of TMP11 Jul 2011 11:13 a.m. PST

So let me get this right, if I sell 3 french companies, I can get one cave troll instead? Armed with a 12pder?

And cossacks ride wargs?

Connard Sage Inactive Member11 Jul 2011 11:14 a.m. PST

So let me get this right, if I sell 3 french companies, I can get one cave troll instead? Armed with a 12pder?


Lead by the Corsican Ogre. Heroic General, Magic User.

The Hound11 Jul 2011 11:45 a.m. PST

Just bought it

basileus66 Inactive Member11 Jul 2011 11:48 a.m. PST

If the book serves to bring fresh blood to the hobby, I won't complain too loud about the 3-company nonsense.

basileus66 Inactive Member11 Jul 2011 11:50 a.m. PST

Presumably for use when besieging straw huts

Probably they mean that swivel guns were deployed in battlements and walls, that's why they say is a 'siege weapon'… otherwise I can't fathom the reason to classify it as such.

Last Hussar11 Jul 2011 11:57 a.m. PST

If it's like Wot-Ring (as opposed to -Roses) then from what I've seen 'Company' does indeed mean a stand, not a historical company, in the same way we refer to 6 battalions as an 'army'.

Personal logo Whirlwind Supporting Member of TMP11 Jul 2011 1:14 p.m. PST

Is the 3-company thing not just paying gentle homage to 'Charge!…'

Regards

Clay the Elitist Inactive Member11 Jul 2011 2:35 p.m. PST

325 points for Wellington? Damn OP super-characters.

Fred Cartwright11 Jul 2011 3:08 p.m. PST

I love the turn sequence in the QRF.

6. END OF TURN
Both players tidy up the gaming
area and resolve any effects
remaining in play.

"I'll have a quick hoover round, you dust the shelves!" :-)

Personal logo John the OFM Supporting Member of TMP11 Jul 2011 4:45 p.m. PST

Was it the Brunswickers or the Dutch-Belgians that had the Chaos Death Zombies of Doom?

grecian195911 Jul 2011 5:05 p.m. PST

i want the old guard snotlings

TMPWargamerabbit11 Jul 2011 5:31 p.m. PST

Another rule/game of massed figures…large figure count units…trying to represent tabletop brigades….maybe Divisions….for a historical battlefield using too few battalions. Waterloo with 10 units??? a few infantry…a couple of cavalry and a battery…we have Waterloo on a 6x4 table! Sell the massed figures is the war cry. Write the rules to fit the modern age business plan.

I pity the wargamer who must paint his social life away. Or….Shall we add onto the house dear for the required 500/sqf gamer den/room with the grand 100 /sqf tabletop gaming table….drawers and shelfs for storage…terrain needed and bar.

Otherwise…great eye candy book. Shows well the 28mm scale. Modern business plan…write rules to push the sale of your massed unpainted figures.

I return to my historical battles done another way….to represent large battles in a day.


wargamerabbit.wordpress.com

Personal logo The Tin Dictator Supporting Member of TMP11 Jul 2011 5:39 p.m. PST

If the book serves to bring fresh blood to the hobby, I won't complain too loud about the 3-company nonsense.

If this is how we "get fresh blood into the hobby", Its not worth it. And just WHAT is so special about getting new players for GW games?

Personal logo John the OFM Supporting Member of TMP11 Jul 2011 6:16 p.m. PST

Yes. We definitely need new blood who are as ignorant as a box of rocks.

50 Dylan CDs and an Icepick Inactive Member11 Jul 2011 6:35 p.m. PST

"I pity the wargamer who must paint his social life away. "

Indeed. Penelope Cruz recently told me that she was tired of my excuses for never going out with her.

"Another battalion of Légère in the 1809 uniforms!" she exclaimed in her adorable Castilian lisp. "That's what you said last Saturday!"

"It's the Bardin uniform, my angel," I protested. "And you're so sexy when you're mad. Go play some more Angry Birds; I'll be coming to bed in a few hours."

mad monkey 111 Jul 2011 7:21 p.m. PST

Nice. But isn't the Bardin easier to paint the the earlier uniforms? You might make it to bed earlier than expected….

Oberst Radl Inactive Member11 Jul 2011 7:22 p.m. PST

kmSnf,

That's the funniest post I've read all year. Bravo!

Skatey Inactive Member11 Jul 2011 7:52 p.m. PST

Ignorant as a box of rocks? I wonder who is the ignorant here, you cant see past the jokes of "old guard snotlings" and what not. Sheeesh, talk about a close minded bunch of old farts all of you. Well I'm of to other places where people can see the positive in life instead of taking a Bleeped text at anything they cant understand or wrap their heads around.

nickinsomerset11 Jul 2011 10:57 p.m. PST

Sounds like it is the Napoleonic version of FOW from the posts above!!!

Tally Ho!

Marshal Mark12 Jul 2011 1:57 a.m. PST

Another rule/game of massed figures…large figure count units…trying to represent tabletop brigades….maybe Divisions….for a historical battlefield using too few battalions. Waterloo with 10 units??? a few infantry…a couple of cavalry and a battery…we have Waterloo on a 6x4 table! Sell the massed figures is the war cry. Write the rules to fit the modern age business plan.

I pity the wargamer who must paint his social life away. Or….Shall we add onto the house dear for the required 500/sqf gamer den/room with the grand 100 /sqf tabletop gaming table….drawers and shelfs for storage…terrain needed and bar.

You seem to be making two contradictory points here. Is the problem that too few units will be required to represent a large battle like Waterloo, or that too many figures are required ?

Otherwise…great eye candy book. Shows well the 28mm scale. Modern business plan…write rules to push the sale of your massed unpainted figures.

Do GW have plans to release Napoleonic figures ? I doubt it. They haven't made figures to go with their other Warhammer Historical rules. So how can their business plan be to write rules to push the sale of figures ?

Marshal Mark12 Jul 2011 2:08 a.m. PST

Yes. We definitely need new blood who are as ignorant as a box of rocks

Isn't most new blood relatively ignorant ? I suspect most wargamers learn a lot more about the history once they start playing. I certainly did, and still do now.
If this has some crossover interest in that it gets young wargamers into historical gaming, who might otherwise have stuck to fantasy and sci-fi, then I think that is a good thing.

Griefbringer12 Jul 2011 2:29 a.m. PST

They haven't made figures to go with their other Warhammer Historical rules.

Actually, they have released a handful of historical character miniatures in the past. Edward the Black Prince, king John of France, and Earps at OK Corral come to my mind, and AFAIK there were also a few others. However, ot my knowledge these have been limited releases and are no longer available.

Maxshadow12 Jul 2011 2:32 a.m. PST

"I'll have a quick hoover round, you dust the shelves!" :-)

I laughed and laughed! Thanks mate.
Max

Decebalus12 Jul 2011 4:48 a.m. PST

4" movement of infantry – 18" shooting range of musket.

I know, hoow the game plays.

Personal logo John the OFM Supporting Member of TMP12 Jul 2011 6:12 a.m. PST

Since I feel it incumbent upon me to expand on my "ignorant as a box of rocks" comment, I was referring to the "3-company nonsense".

Those who supposedly "come over" to historical wargaming to FoW via 40K pick up a lot of … dubious facts and accept them as gospel.
Those who get into FoW via "normal" historical gaming are not so easily impressed.

I might point out that TSATF's "historical organization" is equally fanciful, but those who get into TSATF via normal historical gaming just accept it as a mechanism that simply makes the gamev work.
Those getting into Warhammer Napoleonics via Warhammer …

Do Russians bellow WAAAAAGH!! when they charge? You know you want to.

meledward23 Inactive Member12 Jul 2011 6:25 a.m. PST

"Do Russians bellow WAAAAAGH!! when they charge? You know you want to."

oh Dear Lord help me… I have fallen and I can't get up!

Marc the plastics fan12 Jul 2011 6:36 a.m. PST

I "got into" ancients via the WAB books, so is it so wrong to make a Naps WAB? I appreciate it is great fun to make cheap jokes, but as an introductory level game (let me repeat that, a GAME), is it so shocking?

Or do we just have to hate anything commercial, be it FoW or GW or WH or Foundry?

I will take a peek at a copy at some point and, if it looks good to me, I may even buy a copy. That may be shocking to some, but that is how the world works sometimes.

And if it encourages people to want to play with toy soldiers, why is that bad? I started (a long time ago) and the Old Guard were my starting point – the "romantic view" of their gallant last stand. Times have moved on, but my enthusiasm remains as strong. So surely ANY introduction to the hobby is worthwhile – is it not?

Chris B Inactive Member12 Jul 2011 6:44 a.m. PST

I guarantee it will be better than Foundry's Napoleon.

nickinsomerset12 Jul 2011 7:11 a.m. PST

"Those who supposedly "come over" to historical wargaming to FoW via 40K pick up a lot of … dubious facts and accept them as gospel"

Some of the games are pretty similar though with lines of tanks ramming headlong into each other!!

Tally Ho!

50 Dylan CDs and an Icepick Inactive Member12 Jul 2011 7:20 a.m. PST

"do we just have to hate anything commercial?

That's pretty much it, yes. People used to wait until a game actually became successful, before complaining about it. Now that they're older and have less time, they complain in advance, in case a game looks like it might be successful.

"I was referring to the "3-company nonsense". Those who supposedly "come over" to historical wargaming to FoW via 40K pick up a lot of … dubious facts and accept them as gospel."

Talk about accepting dubious facts as gospel! I'd love to see the study that shows the number of gamers who "came over" from one wing of the hobby or another, and the data cross-indexing that with the dubious things they allegedly believe. Please. Nobody has a clue how many gamers there are or what they're playing, much less whether people play one thing first, and then another.

And then there's the more fundamental point: So Bleeped texting What? What possible harm does it do to anybody's angry little Grognard Tree-Fort, if some new player has a mistaken concept of the number of companies in a British battalion? No doubt he'll get "corrected" by the grognards, and then if he can still stand to be around them, he'll play "correctly" from then on.

If I had a dollar for all the things that gamers "believe" – historically, economically, politically, religiously – that I find absurd, I'd hire all of Sri Lanka to finish all those Orcs I got at the Historicon flea market years ago.

We now return to the regularly-scheduled moaning about "The Greying of the Hobby" and "Where is all the New Blood?"

Connard Sage Inactive Member12 Jul 2011 7:53 a.m. PST

Sam, Sam, Sam, you must know that I don't demand 'historical accuracy' to the Nth degree in a set of rules, but a nod in the right direction would be nice.

We now return to the regularly-scheduled moaning about "The Greying of the Hobby" and "Where is all the New Blood?"

I don't get over-exercised by that either. I have my own circle of wargaming cronies and I don't try to tempt younger passers-by in off the streets to 'just try this game of DBA, the first one's free'

Personal logo John the OFM Supporting Member of TMP12 Jul 2011 8:01 a.m. PST

"Everybody knows" that when kids grow up and get tired of Warhammer, they will eagerly dive into discussions about bricoles. Those who played Dark Elves, Chaos or Orcs will be more likely to shed blood over it.

Connard Sage Inactive Member12 Jul 2011 8:10 a.m. PST
Old Bear Inactive Member12 Jul 2011 9:21 a.m. PST

Ignorant as a box of rocks? I wonder who is the ignorant here, you cant see past the jokes of "old guard snotlings" and what not. Sheeesh, talk about a close minded bunch of old farts all of you. Well I'm of to other places where people can see the positive in life instead of taking a Bleeped text at anything they cant understand or wrap their heads around.

Bye then.

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