| VonTed | 24 Jun 2011 5:27 a.m. PST |
Wait wait wait….. people can post pictures on the threads here at TMP? Why does NO ONE do it? Now back to your regularly scheduled thread….. |
| mweaver | 24 Jun 2011 5:56 a.m. PST |
It is a new feature added this week. |
| 45thdiv | 24 Jun 2011 5:59 a.m. PST |
Looking at the resin cast of this and the painted version – it looks like a lot of clean up and fill was done. Just look at the neck piece and the open mouth – the resin figure has lots of bubbles, so a lot of work was put into this figure before it would have even been able to be painted at the level of what we see in the example. |
chuck05  | 24 Jun 2011 6:25 a.m. PST |
What a piece of garbage! Id be very angry if I paid $15 USD for that. I keep seeing posts like these and it doesnt inspire me to buy the finecast stuff. |
| Caesar | 24 Jun 2011 6:26 a.m. PST |
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| Ron W DuBray | 24 Jun 2011 6:48 a.m. PST |
all the detail is missing, ring on its finger? its finger? where is its hand? and arm? and scarb? and and oh well all of it? you would have to be a very good scupter to make this look like the first photo. If I pulled this out of one of my molds it would be just drop in it the trash bin. |
| John Treadaway | 24 Jun 2011 6:54 a.m. PST |
If people by this muck they are insane… John T |
| Jeff at JTFM Enterprises | 24 Jun 2011 8:24 a.m. PST |
I've been casting for a long time and my figure casts have never turned out that bad….. |
| basileus66 | 24 Jun 2011 8:48 a.m. PST |
Ok, not that I want to defend GW, but the picture is not too well done. I've seen the figure in the hand, and while many of the defects mentioned are regretfully very real (bubbles and flash are the worst offenders), the mini itself is waaay long better done that it looks from the photo. |
| Mithmee | 24 Jun 2011 11:29 a.m. PST |
Looking at the resin cast of this and the painted version it looks like a lot of clean up and fill was done. Just look at the neck piece and the open mouth the resin figure has lots of bubbles, so a lot of work was put into this figure before it would have even been able to be painted at the level of what we see in the example. I think the first is from the GW website so no flaws. The 2nd is what you can expect to buy. Yup great job GW. |
| Garand | 24 Jun 2011 11:34 a.m. PST |
Not necessarily. Here are my reviews: link link Damon. |
| blackscribe | 24 Jun 2011 11:45 a.m. PST |
The collar tells you everything you need to know about that disaster of a cast. It is supposed to be large, smooth surfaces. Those surfaces are missing on the left. Yikes. |
| CPT Jake | 24 Jun 2011 12:36 p.m. PST |
"the mini itself is waaay long better done that it looks from the photo." Yeah, because the photo which makes a whole hand disappear must not be correct, just a trick of the lens. |
| 45thdiv | 24 Jun 2011 4:14 p.m. PST |
Damon Your reviews so far have been the only ones where we can see a clean cast figure out of the blister. Also you were able to stop into your local GW to purchase, and you know that they would only be selling their best cast stuff in their own store. Your articles talk about the bashing of resin being used, I don't really think that is the key point. It's the comment about the quality control that you made that is the main factor. The secondary factor is the price increase. If the quality is not better than the metal, how can you justify the price increase, other than the production cost and waste from poor quality control at the moment. I have purchased many resin products over the years, they are always more expensive than the metal versions and this is due to the cost of production. The point of this thread, I believe, was to show how the new resin figure can look painted up. That resin figure in the first post, used as is, will never look as good as the GW studio painted figure without a lot of work. And who is to say that that painted figure was not a metal cast proof or a higher quality resin proof? Resin comes in all types just like metal. This comes from my years of doing model effects from the early 1980s and seeing how things have improved not only in the resin front, but in the metal front as well. As the years have pasted, new mold making material allows for better detail to be captured and cast in what ever medium you choose. So right now, I think only the really die hard model builders and painters are going to be working with this stuff. At these prices, I don't see many armies of a few hundred figures on a side being built up. As you said, GW has to get their quality control way up to match the price tag they have set for these new figures. I guess only time will tell how things work out. Matthew |
| BlackWidowPilot | 24 Jun 2011 5:08 p.m. PST |
"If people by this muck they are insane…"
If people try to defend this debacle their sanity is also non-existant obvious to the likes of Ray Charles (ie., a dead blind man)…
Ye stars and little comets! Calling this mess "Finecast" is like calling 50/50 wood alcohol and grapefruit juice Premium Champagne…
Leland R. Erickson
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| Garand | 24 Jun 2011 6:50 p.m. PST |
45thdiv, there are no local GW stores where I live; the closest ones are either in Philadelphia or (I believe) New York City. The Avatar was mail-ordered direct from GW, while the Autarch was purchased off-the-hook at my local game store. As for the bashing of the material, that did happen; if you read Warseer the concerns about the health hazards of resin were quite the talk… Finally, I don't think anyone is going to make armies of hundreds of figures in this material, since most of the core troops for most of the armies are plastic; finecast is being used (for the most part) for characters, elites, and other special troops. Price indeed is a big question mark over this launch, and with the problems came at the worst time. That being said, some products (Treemen, Ushabti) actually decreased in price. Finally, is that price increase justified? I'm waiting for the Dark Elf hydra or the Chaos Space Marine Obliterators to come out in this material: cast in resin, BOTH of these products will be worth the price increase (assuming equal quality) because they are a real PITA to assemble in metal. Damon. |
| CBaggs | 24 Jun 2011 8:22 p.m. PST |
I say that within a year GW will have figured out quality control and the manufacturing process. It seems like the whole product line was rushed in execution if not in concept since most of the issues seem to be related to not letting the resin "cook" long enough. Until then people buying Finecast from an online retailer are playing a little bit of Russian Roulette with their orders. |
| tjantzen | 24 Jun 2011 9:32 p.m. PST |
Suggestion for a new logo?
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| handgrenadealien | 24 Jun 2011 10:26 p.m. PST |
I can't understand how GW have made such a balls of the casting process. I have bought miniatures in resin from other smaller companies ( Antenocitis, Studio McVey et al) and their products have no air bubbles at all, but this is by virtue of curing the resin inside a pressure vessel to exclude all the air, do GW not carry out this step which seems to be fundamental to the quality of a product. |
| Mithmee | 24 Jun 2011 10:56 p.m. PST |
"I say that within a year GW will have figured out quality control and the manufacturing process." In that time they would have taken quite a bit of money from their customers who will end up getting crap figures. Oh and you can't get the old metal models because those would have been discontinued. Finecast is a combination of plastic and resin and I think that is where the problem is. |
| MissusB | 25 Jun 2011 3:07 a.m. PST |
Oh dear me. I think I will stick to my 'Valley of the Four Winds' figures! |
| 45thdiv | 25 Jun 2011 3:44 a.m. PST |
Damon – Fair enough. I just read "local" store as a GW shop – my bad. I don't see bashing material as a bad thing. The health hazards of resin can be a bad thing. We wear respirators for a reason when working with the large stuff. There should always be some caution when working with resin. I do see a really nice use for the resin on the larger figures, but then their plastic large figures have been really nice too. Those new trolls were really good. I agree that the larger figures are pain to put together in metal. And it is nice to not have to pin a figure together. But let me ask you one question – you ordered the first figure for GW directly. What would you have done if it came in looking like the picture at the beginning of this thread? You got to see the figure through the blister at your local hobby shop. Was there only one copy there or did you look through a few packs of the same figure until you found a pretty clean cast? You seem to be in the same thought ring as most people with regards to price vs quality. I hope that GW can get their product back to the quality they had before. I'm not a fan boy, but I am not a basher either. If the figure is cool looking, then I buy it to enjoy painting it. But the price needs to equal the quality of the figure. Matthew |
 Flashman14  | 25 Jun 2011 4:46 a.m. PST |
Looks awful -just awful … |
| Garand | 25 Jun 2011 4:51 a.m. PST |
But let me ask you one question you ordered the first figure for GW directly. What would you have done if it came in looking like the picture at the beginning of this thread? You got to see the figure through the blister at your local hobby shop. Was there only one copy there or did you look through a few packs of the same figure until you found a pretty clean cast? Let me preface things by saying as a model builder myself, I am familiar with resin and know when I have a casting that is sub-standard. But if I had a bad casting that would be a lot of work to recover, I would demand an exchange. As for the Autarch, it was the first one I grabbed of the peg. I did a quick one-over to make sure it wasn't a dud (and it was not), so off I went. Like I said in my second review, I plan to get another casting to see how it is. This time I'm going to use another store to see how things vary (a Hobbytown USA franchise store, assuming they have any I would want…). Damon. |
| Shakespear | 25 Jun 2011 1:39 p.m. PST |
Did you see where Wayland Games is stopping carrying the figures after a large failure rate? link |
| BlackWidowPilot | 25 Jun 2011 3:20 p.m. PST |
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| Greenfield Games | 26 Jun 2011 3:37 p.m. PST |
Shakespear, did you even read the article that you linked to? Although we will be returning our present stockholding to the manufacturer, please be assured that we remain committed to carrying the Finecast line and will be restocking in due course. |
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