"Best Rules to use with Dust Tactics and AT-43 Minis" Topic

Hi All,

Does anyone have suggestions as to what the best weird war set of rules to use for Dust Tactics and/or AT-43 minis? I realize AT-43 is more Sci-fi than weird war but I figure its close enough – especially if pitched against the Dust ones.

I'm looking for a squad based systems and something that uses points and a way to assign stats/points to the existing figs.

Thanks!
-Tim

Shockforce II/Warengine is your answer.

I like Secrets of the Third Reich for Weird War stuff myself.

The upcoming NUTS! War Without End (Two Hour Wargames) will let you determine stats for any weird war figure (but doesn't use points) and is due out probably in early July. Here's a BATREP from a demo game at Kublacon:

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Three replies and three different responses! I love it!

I've looked into Warengine. It certainly does let you do all that I asked and lets you design anything.

Does SoTR have point values? I've heard it has vehicle design rules. What rules does it have for troops – would we just have to match them with existing choices that they have in the game, or can you build your own troops (e.g. pick quality, armour, weapons etc.)?

For NUTS how do you deal with balance between forces if there are no points? We need a system to resolve ground combat in a campaign where we have armies of known relative size.

SotR has point values, and does build-your-own for vehicles, but you'd have to wing it for troops. The Doomsday expansion gives you guidelines for "Partisan bands" which are effectively DIY army lists with some broad limitations on what you can take, but it's pretty vague and won't help a bit with (say) German laser weapons and the like. Despite that, I'd still recommend it as worth a look. The point system isn't retrictive enough that it would be difficult to work with it to emulate Dust's more oddball stuff, you'd just need to playtest some house rules and add some new weapon types.

Stick with Dust Tactics.

or AT43, I realy like the AT43 rules and they would work for large skirmishes in any period where guns are used.

I would love to stick with either Dust Tactics or AT-43, but I need to be able to adapt other armies to those rulesets for our campaign. Coming up with a point system for an existing game would be difficult – well more difficult to agree upon than to just come up with numbers. Its easier to find a common set of rules, that has a points/design system, and have everyone use that.

Right now it looks like we'll be using Fast and Dirty v4. I've looked at a lot of different sci-fi rules and I was just wondering if there were some Weird War was that might work as well (as the two genres can be quite similar – especially if considering at-43 and dust tactics armies).

I'm quite curious about SotR though. Seems like the only missing element is points for infantry and that may be relatively easy to reverse engineer given that the game is light on model stats. Oh, and a couple of weapons…

-Tim

If not the actual AT-43 rules then Fubar 4.0 works well.

imHo

but then i used love Vor the Maelstrom and playing Union

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I just received the Q4 catalog from Fantasy Flight, and the tabletop version of Dust is apparently named Dust Warfare. No clue what the mechanics look like yet.

I am certainly looking forward to Dust Warfare. Some words form designer Andy Chambers here:
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Have you tried GASLIGHT?

No, I haven't tried Gaslight. Is there a downloadable demo version?

-Tim

You can get the original pdfs from RPGNow. They are not free, however.

I wrote up some stat cards for No Limits! for AT-43. There UNA, Red Blok, Karmen and Therian. I have some drafts of Cogs and Oni started but not enough to play with yet.

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It's a great game, I too am a big fan of Vor and have been writing up No Limits army lists for other miniature lines.

I've posted up a draft of rules for AE-WWII to use mecha such as the Dust Tactics models.

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The DUST Tactics models now have their own full (unofficial and free) conversion to the NUTS system. You can get it at the Two Hour Wargames Yahoo! Group in the File "Official TWH Rules Updates > War Without End" or here at Scribd:

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This includes infantry unit lists, weapons and mecha stats.