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| 28mmMan | 31 May 2011 3:06 p.m. PST |
What steps do you take to reenforce the air void within said pieces to avoid the oops and crush factors? I was considering a large scale (50-75) shipping container project and had been given this matter some thought and I think I found a potential idea; so I share in the hopes that it may work for others in the mean time (before I work out the details of the project). Secure a bag of packing peanuts picture not the new green type link that are made of corn fibers, as these will break down upon contact with any moisture :( (there are easy ways to check which you have…the organic ones are matte finished and if you touch an organic one to liquid for a few seconds it will start to dissolve…you can make sculptures with the organic ones :) Secure some simple white craft glue Secure a big popcorn bowl or a $1 USD store turkey pan ***** Tape all your inside corners and creases to seal the edges Fill your selected paper terrain piece with dry peanuts to calculate the volume Pour those into your bowl/pan (I would wear surgical gloves) Add a simple slurry of white glue and water 75:25 to the bowl and mix by hand, and ensure each piece gets some slurry Place drip free pieces into the terrain item until full and watch for glue escaping from corners and creases Allow to dry ***** I have used this popcorn and glue slurry for back filling large paper mache sculpture and it worked quite well. Added great inner strength and added very little weight. I even cut up a few of the pieces and had no structure issues. ***** Anyway, thought I would share a thought…if you have tried this and had any issues then please let me know :) |
| CPT Jake | 31 May 2011 3:29 p.m. PST |
Do you need the shipping containers to be individually moveable? If now, consider using a bigger box, like a shoe box, and covering it with paper images to make it look like a big stack of contaimers. Use different sized and shaped boxes… Jake |
| Lion in the Stars | 31 May 2011 3:50 p.m. PST |
Shipping containers come in 3 or 4 sizes: 20-foot, 40-foot, and 48-foot that i know about, but I have heard of a 53-footer. |
| dglennjr | 31 May 2011 7:08 p.m. PST |
28mm Man, contact me as you may be doing a similar shipping container project as to what I am doing. (Though, mine is in 20mm scale.) -David G.
dglennjr@yahoo.com |
| tima113 | 01 Jun 2011 1:21 a.m. PST |
I've been toying with expanding foam for filling paper buildings/props, though your packing peanut system sounds like an acceptable alternative or intermediate step. I'd be wary of the water content of the glue leaching through the paper, not just the corners. Worldworks offered some larger blocks of stacked shipping containers to help fill out a storage yard. I think it used to be a kitbash fro their mayhem industrial set, not sure if it is still available. |
| flicking wargamer | 01 Jun 2011 6:11 a.m. PST |
International shipping containers are 20 or 40 foot. Domestic containers are 45, 48 and 53 foot, though there is talk of going to 58. I think UPS also has 28 footers that they use with their trailers. As far as the paper terrain, I usually just make sure that it is the only item in the box. It does not crush itself. I have yet to have an oafish gamer crush one yet. I am not sure any amount of reinforcement would stop that. Just store them separately from the heavier stuff. Make sure that box is always on top. |
| 28mmMan | 02 Jun 2011 10:15 a.m. PST |
Hi guys! Lost my own post :) ***** Most of the damage to the terrain I have had came in shipping movement and storage issues. Expanding foam, of which I can actually claim a certain degree of professional expertise…25+yrs experience with commercial, industrial, and military grade foam…this would not be a good idea, beyond the initial "hey this might work" :) 1. it is expensive
2. it expands, the very nature of what it does will certainly deform if not destroy the terrain piece
3. it requires braces and supports, so if I were to make a couple hundred shipping containers then I would make a support jig, think a form fitting five sided rectangle box, drop said folded terrain piece in, apply foam (depending on formula, but a 30-50% would be a base guess), allow to expand, cut off excess, and that cap (that seems like a lot of work/effort) Storing them on top makes sense…it is the common things that happen…kids, cats, dogs, wind, cleaning around the items, wife puts a heavy item on top not knowing, etc. I store in their own plastic containers and mark the container…in Italian, Fra'gile :) The water content of the glue can be an issue but the slurry dries pretty fast, by the time you start to fill the voids the slurried popcorn is sticky rather than drippy. If you are worried, and it is a good worry, I would apply a layer of talc/baby powder to the inner surfaces. This will catch any excess. The good aspect of this powder process is that once sealed the filled terrain could be shaken/rotated…the excess powder would coat the open surfaces and catch the errant drips. |
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