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Windward31 May 2011 2:48 p.m. PST

Hi All

I'm painting up some Me-109s for the Battle of France and the Battle of Britain. Though I'm sorely tempted to put yellow noses on my 109s from my skimming of wings palette it seems they did not show up till the Battle of Britain. True or not?

Windward31 May 2011 2:49 p.m. PST

For that matter, also when did the yellow rudders show up?

Personal logo herkybird Supporting Member of TMP31 May 2011 3:24 p.m. PST

Yes, I believe the yellow (and red) nose 109s are first met in the battle of Britain. One possible reason is that it was easy to mistake a 109 for a Hurricane in certain circumstances.
EG: Adolph Galland was in France, cruising in his personal 109 listening admiringly to another pilot (Leading some novices)-- describing how he was sneaking up on a hurricane, when tracers started flying past his canopy and he realised HE was the Hurricane!

Stimpy Inactive Member31 May 2011 3:25 p.m. PST

There were JG that had yellow noses but yes the more reknown JG -26 This should help link

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Klibanophoros01 Jun 2011 2:34 a.m. PST

Yep, Battle of Britain is the earliest I can find for both noses and rudders. Other than JG-26 I've got photos of 109s from at least JG-3, 51, 54 and I think 77 with yellow so it seems pretty common from then on. Paint away I reckon and if you get into Operation Barbarossa they'll be perfect for that too.

RockyRusso Inactive Member01 Jun 2011 12:00 p.m. PST

Hi

This is actually related to John Salt's thread on campaigns. Initially in the Battle of Britian, nose color, as a temporary watar paint on the nose was used to help assemble squadrons over the IP before heading off on the mission.

But these could be Red or white or yellow depending. The "abbyville boys with their yellow noses" wasn't quite a reality, but the reports of british pilots making an assumption.

Later, the colors for some became permanent.

The issue involves, of course, friendly fire. One reason the germans went to the segmented spinner, or spiral spinner was because of pilots seeing a nose in their mirror and trying to "shake" off their own wingman!

Same with the Rudder color. And wingtips.

Rocky

Dave Jackson Supporting Member of TMP01 Jun 2011 12:24 p.m. PST
Scutatus Inactive Member02 Jun 2011 4:29 a.m. PST

The yellow nose was the German version of our black and white stripes. First appearance in the Battle of brtian would make sense as it was the first time it really became an issue.

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