| Jo Jo the Idiot Circus Boy | 15 May 2011 8:31 p.m. PST |
A friend of mine and I decided to build some South African Border War/Angola stuff in 15mm with a mind to playing Force on Force. I'm building the SADF, but I'm also building a FAPLA platoon as well so I always have something to shoot at! ;-) The SADF stuff is easy. It's all neutria brown and tan. Likewise the Angolan infantry is easy. (well as easy as painting Cuban camo in 15mm can be anyway…) But I'm stumped as to how to paint the Angolan vehicles. I suspect most would be plain old Warsaw Pact dark green, but have to wonder if any would have been camouflaged.
My partner in this venture came across this page some months ago:
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The miniatures here depict an interesting and colorful camo sceme, but I'm a bit dubious about it's authenticity. Anyone have any information on this? Martin |
| Sundance | 15 May 2011 8:47 p.m. PST |
Most of it looks like it's tan or green or a combination of the two. link |
| Rod Langway | 15 May 2011 10:56 p.m. PST |
Martin, In the 15mm Modern Group the photo section has pics of armor in authentic Angolan colors, myself and a friend are doing SADF/Angola so we did quite a bit of research into the topic. Group is here, look in the manufacturers folders in the pics section for examples. I should have additional pics up as well in the coming weeks: link Paul Edit: Have only one Angolan vehicle up now, BTR-60, again will add several more in the next few weeks. Here is a direct link to a pic of the BTR with Angolan camo: picture |
| Jemima Fawr | 16 May 2011 4:00 a.m. PST |
Standard Russian Green (as delivered) seems to have been the main colour, though there are numerous examples of ad hoc camouflage in a lighter colour (annoyingly, all the photos I recall seeing of camo'd vehicles have been black & white). I've seen camo done in big splotches, bands, narrow stripes and small spots. However, the majority of vehicles seem to have remaned plain green. That said, a great many military trucks were delivered from the USSR in civilian colours and frequently went into action as they were, with no repaint, or minimal tan (mud?) camouflage. You'll find Johan Schoeman's 'War in Angola in Miniature' page extremely useful: warinangola.com (however, please note that it seems to be down at this moment – I'm sure it's just a temporary problem, as I've only just received his latest newsletter e-mail). BTW, while 'Nutria' was the colour of SADF uniforms, the vehicle paint colour was 'Dark Earth'. Here's some photos of our stuff:
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| Jo Jo the Idiot Circus Boy | 16 May 2011 11:12 a.m. PST |
Thanks all.
That's exactly the sort of info I was looking for, Martin |
DontFearDareaper  | 16 May 2011 11:51 a.m. PST |
Yes, thanks from me too (the friend Trenchraider mentioned in the original post). Tons of good info in those links and I joined the 15mm modern yahoogroup as well. I also got some good ideas for terrain. I was wondering how best to model veldt and similar terrain that you would expect to fight in in Southern and Southwest Africa. Now I have a few ideas. Dave |
| freecloud | 17 May 2011 7:30 a.m. PST |
Dust….there is a lot of dust, can obscure colours a lot!!! |
| DontFearDareaper | 17 May 2011 10:27 a.m. PST |
W00t!! Just scored a copy of the Osprey book, Modern African Wars (3) which covers Angola and South-West Africa. This title must be currently out of print, it going for outragous prices on Ebay and Amazon ($50 – $150 USD ) I managed to locate a copy for $21 USD bucks. I painted up an Angolan BMP and a T34/85 as well as a test squad of Angolans in Cuban Lizard Grey cammo. We'll be doing some Angolan War skirmish action very soon. Trenchie painted up a bunch of Angolan infantry and has ordered a bunch of South African troops and vehicles. Dave |
| Jo Jo the Idiot Circus Boy | 17 May 2011 10:44 p.m. PST |
Oh you lucky So and so! I have been looking around for that one for a while now. The venue you found it at didn't happen to have another one did they? Martin |
| DontFearDareaper | 17 May 2011 10:58 p.m. PST |
Sorry, they only had one copy, the next cheapest copy I could find was on Abebooks and they wanted $44 USD for that one. Dave |
| Jemima Fawr | 18 May 2011 4:02 a.m. PST |
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| Jemima Fawr | 18 May 2011 4:13 a.m. PST |
Re uniforms – FAPLA mainly wore Portuguese-style camo uniforms, which were tan with roughly horizontal 'swooshes' of red-brown and bottle-green. I use Humbrol 72 Khaki Drill for the base, with 70 Red Leather and 116 US Dark Green for the camo. It's highly likely that they also received Cuban/North Korean 'Lizard' uniforms and East German 'Raindrop' pattern uniforms, though these tended to go to FAPLA-ODP militia and SWAPO-PLAN guerrillas. The Cubans used North-Korean manufactured 'Lizard' uniforms, which had a 'field grey' base, with roughly criss-cross 'swooshes' of camo – again in red-brown and bottle-green. I use Humbrol 111 Uniform Grey for the base and the same colours for camo. |
| Mike Tanner | 17 Feb 2017 8:44 a.m. PST |
The SADF stuff is easy. It's all neutria brown and tan.
Can anyone here please advise me as to which Vallejo browns best match the SADF uniform brown?
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| Mike Tanner | 17 Feb 2017 8:47 a.m. PST |
W00t!! Just scored a copy of the Osprey book, Modern African Wars (3) which covers Angola and South-West Africa. This title must be currently out of print, it going for outragous prices on Ebay and Amazon ($50 – $150 USD USD ) I managed to locate a copy for $21 USD USD bucks.
The modern African Wars series is now back in print. A PDF version of The Rhodesian War book can be downloaded for free from the Osprey website.
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