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Supercilius Maximus15 Apr 2011 4:40 p.m. PST

There doesn't seem to be much on the 1809 Tyrolean Rebels on line.

1) Can anyone tell me how they fought, what sort of units they formed, weapons, tactics, etc?

2) Does anyone have any pics of the 15mm Old Glory pack of Tyrolean Rebels, or has anyone found other figures useful?

Any titles of books on him and his troops in English would be helpful.

Thank you.

Camcleod15 Apr 2011 5:45 p.m. PST

From Google Books:

link

WKeyser15 Apr 2011 10:12 p.m. PST

If you can find Loyal Rebels Andreas Hofer and the Tyrolean uprising of 1809 by Gunther Eyck published by University press of America you find lots of info on him and the uprising.
William

Gazzola16 Apr 2011 5:32 a.m. PST

Camcleod

Another great call. Well done. It was interesting to read about women taking part in the fighting, a bit like the Spanish women fighting the French in the Peninsula.

foot soldier16 Apr 2011 6:34 a.m. PST

Supercilius Maximus,
Have you looked at the 28mm Tyroleans produced by Eureka Miniatures. 40 + figures in the range for this period.

cheers,
rob
eureka miniatures usa

Gazzola16 Apr 2011 1:28 p.m. PST

Supercillius Maximus

My interest in the Tyrol revolt has started to grow now, especially since it offers a chance for skirmishing games with French and Bavarian troops against Austrian and Tyrolean opponents.

You may already be aware of it but I came across this short but interesting website:

aldegarde.nl/TYROL1.html

Gazzola16 Apr 2011 2:04 p.m. PST

I forgot to mention you can also include Italian troops, one of my favourite armies.

raducci16 Apr 2011 3:43 p.m. PST

The Tyrolese wearing of lederhosen was the first documented use of Weapons of Mass Destruction.
Don't forget to factor in the morale-sapping effect this fashion monstrosity had on opposing forces.

(Nameo Falso)16 Apr 2011 4:10 p.m. PST

….but eventually Italy would recover and Italian designer jeans would triumph in the Austro-Italian fashion wars and go on to be amongst the most feared and reviled items of men's apparel on the planet. Garibaldi, Italy's own Andreas Hofer and leading fashion Guru of the 19th Century, would go on to become a biscuit.

(Nameo Falso)16 Apr 2011 4:13 p.m. PST

And if you aren't stuck to 15mm, then yes the Eureka Tyroleans are indeed excellent.

Duc de Limbourg16 Apr 2011 11:06 p.m. PST

on our website aldegarde.nl we have some photos of our 1809 game plus pictures of hofer which I could find
we did use OG, if you want I can make some more pictures

Supercilius Maximus17 Apr 2011 3:19 a.m. PST

Well thank you, everyone – much more than I was expecting (or hoping) for. And some clever humour, too – like it!

[@ rob/Eureka – They are indeed lovely figures, and I had my eye on them when they first came out. Unfortunately, table space, finances, and the lack of Bavarians have limited me to 15mm for this one, I'm afraid.]

(Nameo Falso)17 Apr 2011 7:41 a.m. PST

Paucity of Bavarians? Have you looked at the HaT hard plastic ones? By all accounts their stuff has just got better and better and these look pretty bloody good to me:

link

link

Would make it a cheap foray into 28mm as well as an interesting one.

Supercilius Maximus17 Apr 2011 1:42 p.m. PST

No, I meant the absence of Bavarians in the Eureka ranges.

Also, there's quite a size discrepancy (both upwards and sideways) between the Eureka Tyroleans and the HaT Bavarians!!!

old mcdonald18 Apr 2011 12:19 p.m. PST

I am not sure about their tactics, but I do know that a totally unsupported squadron of light cavalry chased more than 1,000 Tyrolean rebels 9 miles over mountainous territory till they reached safety at their HQ in the walled town of Merano. Playing a daring game, the squadron blocked all the gates and requested its surrender saying they were just the advanceguard of the army. The rebels promptly surrendered and over 2,000 were captured and over a hundred prisoners released. All without a single loss to the cavalry.

Musketier19 Apr 2011 6:01 a.m. PST

As a militia force, they were much better at guerilla tactics and ambushes than standing up to cavalry in the open. Managed pretty well defending against regular infantry at Berg Isel though.

Duc de Limbourg20 Apr 2011 10:42 a.m. PST

I have added some photos of old glory 15mm to our blog aldegarde.blogspot.com

Gazzola20 Apr 2011 3:07 p.m. PST

duc de Limbourg

Nice pics. Front Rank have some 28mm Austrians that would do for some Tyrolean units. I'm looking forward to painting them up.

Brownbear22 Apr 2011 12:09 a.m. PST

For 28mm some of the Touller Vendee figures might be suitable

Supercilius Maximus22 Apr 2011 2:25 a.m. PST

<<I have added some photos of old glory 15mm to our blog aldegarde.blogspot.com>>

Are there any other types in the pack other than musketmen?

If so, any chance of some pics of them too, please?

SJDonovan22 Apr 2011 2:42 a.m. PST

Minifigs do some nice peasant figures in some of their Renaissance ranges that might be of use to you if you are looking for people armed with improvised weapons:

picture
picture

The Napoleonic Spanish Guerillas are also good if you need figures in civilian clothes armed with firearms (the set includes one female figure carrying two muskets and a characterful chap with a blunderbuss)

Jeroen7222 Apr 2011 2:42 a.m. PST

What flags did they use?? I've seen the green/white one but are others known??

Brownbear22 Apr 2011 3:41 a.m. PST

look at aldegarde.nl in the historical section various pictures.

Brownbear22 Apr 2011 3:42 a.m. PST

For 15mm also some figures suitable of the Touller vendean range

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