"How many zouave do you really need?" Topic

Perry is out with their zouave ACW plastic pack, and I just don't get this pack. the regular infantry pack was their first plastic pack and was a big succes. Not eveybody liked them ofcourse, some don't just like plastic others felt they didn't look right.

But in theory you could make any regular infantry regiment with them, so the boxed could be used to make dozens or hundreds of units from both sides.

But this zouave box, how many zouave do you need.

It's not like you are gonna buy a division worth of zouave.
Mabye one or two boxes and thats it.

So were am I going with this.

AWI infantry ofcourse.

They allready have lots of AWI packs and two boxes of generic infantry, one british one american.

I think they would make alot more money on that, thne zouave

Zouaves are like Tiger tanks. ACW gamers always have way more than they will ever need (says a man with 6 regiments of the colorful little s).

It's not like you are gonna buy a division worth of zouave.

Well, if we can't have every other ACW unit be Zouaves, then we can't have every other British Nap unit be kilted Scots either.

You have to have "Zou-Zous", it's the ACW law. For accuracy, about one unit in 20 in the Army of the Potomac.

Hang accuracy, paint as many as you want.

I like the fact that they put so many in, as it enabled me to cadge two sprues from my nephew. Besides, people just seem to want them, even those who have no use for them. I've seen loads of threads around the net along the lines of "What can I use the Perry Zouaves for, other than ACW Zouaves?"

As we speak people are attaching Elf, Orc, and God knows what other kind of heads to them.

Mine will end up looking like this, thanks to all those unwanted Old Glory Sikhs I have lying around:
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Who knew Old Glory's policy of only selling you figures in bags of a thousand would one day come in handy?

Well, I have close to 2000 ACW figs and not a Zouave in there. So I guess I bring down the average. That said, the Union in particular is a really monotonous army. I got no problem with a lot of Zouaves for the Yankees.

mjc

I am going to use mine for 1877 Turks for the Russo-Turkish war. The entire Turkish army wore a zouave style uniform.

Anyway, Gunfreak, if you had plastic AWI by the Perry twins, you'd only moan on endlessly about how difficult they are to paint. :)

>>Mine will end up looking like this<<

Very nice teaser, naughty tart. Seemingly endless possibilities, Thanks…

Cheers

Nice thing is the box has use for both sides of the acw as now you can get those Louisiana tigers on the board as well.

One or two regiments is more than enough. Beyond that, as some of the uniforms replaced, they were replaced with the standard sack coat and pants.

Anyway, Gunfreak, if you had plastic AWI by the Perry twins, you'd only moan on endlessly about how difficult they are to paint. :)

Yes, but atleast I would just ruin a 40p figure, instead of a £1.10 GBP figure

Well, you raise a good point, but you know the Germans only made about 300 or so King Tigers and you know how many of those there are out there!

I have about 2000 or so ACW figures and I have three units of Zouaves – one Confederate (the obligate Louisana Tiger) and two Union – which, since I use Fire and Fury and usually game at the brigade level, is more than enough

That being said, as noted, there are lots of uses for Zouaves other than ACW

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It is not "like king tigers". King tigers are a supposed battle winning super weapon, and the motive is to WIN.

I don't know that Zouaves are anything in any rules but "pretty uniforms". Since this is a hobby, not a job, if you like the color, why not?

I have gamed with napoleonics where people would not let you field the wrong regiment in the fight, but that is not usual in ACW, is it?

Rocky

Good lord sirrah – those Zoauves are going to go into ACW, Colonial French, Ottoman and a hundred other projects…..

"It is not "like king tigers". King tigers are a supposed battle winning super weapon, and the motive is to WIN."

I don't know about that. In Flames of War seeing the Tiger tank in mid war seems to be a pretty strong indication that the Germans are going to lose, at least at the 1500 pt level. There are still plenty of Tigers driving around in mid-war armies though.

I think the analogy works, people like Tigers, people like Lousiana Tigers. It might be for different reasons but they find both aesthetically pleasing.

I don't play ACW and I bought a set. Only for the turbanned heads though. They will make the plastic dragoons into sikh plastic dragoons with a little work.

I was going to recently post a thread asking how many Zouave units folks have in their ACW collections, but I guess instead I will reply here! :)

Me personally, I have a collection of about 5000 painted 15mm figures (maybe more) and depending on the rules used I have about 300 or 400 Zouaves, enough for I'd say about 12-15 regiments (my focus is on regimental scale gaming).

There were a fair number of Zouave units in the Union army over its course, units like the 6th NY, 11th Indiana, 5th NY (one of the most elite of the bunch), 10th NY, 34th OH, 9th NY, 76th PA, 53rd NY, 74th NY, 62nd NY, 114th PA, 146th NY, 165th NY, 155th PA, etc. Many of these units had differences in uniforms so having more than 1 or 2 Zouave regiments in a collection seems reasonable to me. Besides, I'm a sucker for nicely painted units so I pick them up at every flea market and auction I can find them at.

Aside from Zouave units, I'm also a sucker for trying to find other unique or interesting painted units. This includes Bucktails, Iron Brigade, Irish Brigade (though here other than beautiful flags not much to distinguish them from other Union units at 15mm), USCT, USMC, etc. There are also some regiments with unique uniforms that weren't Zouaves, units like the 39th New York Volunteer Infantry Regiment "Garibaldi Guard" which wore Italian stylied uniforms.

Why do people forget about the 33d NJ Zouaves? Because they fought with Sherman who had only "bummers" and no good looking troops?

Every one knows that victory goes to the side with the prettiest uniforms. Some just may ended up in my colonial armies.

With a large turban as illustrated by Plynkes, ACW Zouaves can appear in the army of a 18th C. Imagi-Nation.
'Turqueries' were indeed highly fashionable in mid-18th C. Western Europe.
But then don't feel restricted to the very limited palette of historical Zouaves, neither to the sky blue of historical French Turcos. Late 17th C. Spanish Tercios and Russian Streltsy displayed a rich diversity of uniform colors which later disappeared from Western military fashion (too expensive?), but the dyes were still available, and specially fitting for such 'exotic-looking' troops. Think also 'Mameluck'.

I'd bought myself one Zouave unit from Redoubt, and thought that would be the only one I'd ever do.

Then came the Perry box. OK, maybe just one. For now.

I only ever mean to have one division a side – but I do like variety – So I'll carry on doing the distinctive units, but try not to have them all on the table at once.

I've already started using spare Zouave heads with the turbans cut off to give me a bit more variety in the ordinary plastic infantry, especially with the one or two figures that had rather bland faces.

You can never have enough Zouaves. "ZOUAVE ATTITUDE" – TIG

Could you use the plastic zuaoves as French for the Franco-Prussian war? It seems like they'd be close… but you'd have to file down the lace in the front and maybe add epaulettes with putty… plus the hats are wrong… maybe this wouldn't work so well…

In the Civil War, both sides had Zouaves, most regiments probably coming from New York. You can count maybe 30 different regiments North and South. I allow as it is how many different units you want to portray.
Weaselhoffen.

Mine will be converted to WWI French troops.

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They are fun to paint.

I have two units in my 28mm Guns of Gettysburg Union force (12 regiments and growing).

I plan to get 10-12 boxes as I am playing Advance the colors and need enough to make a 400 man regiment

"How many zouaves do you need?"

I'm sorry but I don't understand the question.

My excuse is, I purchased a 5th New York flag by mistake so now I have a reason to use it!

Turkish 1877? What kind of lunatic would do that? I bet you are going to try to paint ACW in Kepi's as Russians too…

One is too ridiculous to field and a regiment just isnt enough to use on a good day of fishing.