The Beast Rampant | 03 May 2004 4:04 p.m. PST |
Can anyone give me any information regarding who makes Seven Year's War Bavarians, or if, like many French-satellite Nappies, some other nation's uniform style is close enough. Pretty much all I have is the cornflower blue jackets. Any help regarding manufacturers or uniform info would be greatly appreciated! ~Mike
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Big Miller Bro | 03 May 2004 4:46 p.m. PST |
well actually my current contract was to produce some greens of Napoleonic Barvarians- I'll ask my custmer if he can post his email if you'd like to order some from him? You can see some photos at: link |
homenick | 03 May 2004 6:10 p.m. PST |
During the Mid 18th century, Bavarian uniforms were the same cut and style as the Austrians of the same period. Any SYW austrian figures can be used as Bavarians. Just paint them in the appropriate colours. Any of the following manufacturers will do. Old Glory Essex Minifigs Freikorp 15's. |
Arteis | 03 May 2004 9:30 p.m. PST |
Bear in mind that there is some dispute if the Bavarians of the SYW wore cornflower blue, anyway. Some sources now say it was dark blue ( or savoy blue ) that they wore at this time. For an article about the shade of blue worn by Bavarians of this period, check out Question 3 on this page: link You might also like to look at these sites, too:
dare.paradise.net.nz/bavaria.htm and: link |
The Beast Rampant | 06 May 2004 3:31 p.m. PST |
Thanks for the info and links! ~Mike |
Jemima Fawr | 09 May 2004 11:21 a.m. PST |
It's well worth getting hold of the old Pengel & Hurt booklets on the subject. To my mind they absolutely prove the case for dark blue uniforms (and indeed white oversmocks in winter - camouflage perhaps?!). The argument (supported by a lot of evidence in those booklets) is that Bavaria was bankrupted following the Wars of Austrian Succession, when Bavaria pressed its claim on the Imperial throne against Austria. The heavily-laced, French-style cornflower blue uniforms were vastly expensive and simplified dark blue uniforms were then introduced. They stayed in service until reintroduction of the old-style uniforms from 1762 onwards (i.e. right at the end of the war). So the Bavarian Auxiliary Corps at Breslau, Leuthen, etc should be in the dark blue uniforms. Use Austrian figures (including the grenadiers). I'll try to dig out the booklet and get facing colours for you. |
Jemima Fawr | 10 May 2004 10:28 a.m. PST |
Right - information found. It's also worth noting that the famous uniform paintings by the Swiss artist Morier (now mostly in the collection of HM the Queen) and painted from life for many of the monarchs and rulers of Europe, depict the dark blue uniform. Another economy measure was that a new coat was only issued every three years, whereas most armies issued them annually. Yet another was that the coat initially had no lapels - but they were re-introduced in 1750. Old-style laced black lapels were reintroduced for the Leib-Regt in 1760, along with light blue coats for the drummers and musicians, followed by regiment's grenadiers in 1761. The other regiments changed back into light blue well after the SYW. |
Jemima Fawr | 10 May 2004 10:36 a.m. PST |
Bavarian uniforms for the SYW: Regiment/Facing Colour/Buttons & Hat Lace/Breeches and Camisols Leib*/white/white/white Kurprinz*/white/yelow/white Minucci* (la Bosse 1759)/yellow/white/white (red camisols?) Morawitzsky*/straw/white/? Preysing/red/white/straw Herzog Klemens*/red/yellow/white Pechmann# (Meinders 1759, Herold 1761)/straw/yellow/? Holnstein#/red (straw lining & turnbacks)/yellow/straw * These regiments were with the Bavarian Auxiliary Corps, serving with the Austrians at Breslau, Leuthen, etc. Their five grenadier companies were massed into a composite grenadier battalion. # These two regiments provided elements of the Kreis-Regiment Kurbayern, which was Bavaria's contribution to the Reichsarmee. |
Jemima Fawr | 10 May 2004 10:39 a.m. PST |
Sorry, there seems to be a formating problem. I'll try again: Bavarian uniforms for the SYW: Regiment/Facing Colour/Buttons & Hat Lace/Breeches and Camisols Leib*/white/white/white Kurprinz*/white/yelow/white Minucci* (la Bosse 1759)/yellow/white/white (red camisols?) Morawitzsky*/straw/white/? Preysing/red/white/straw Herzog Klemens*/red/yellow/white Pechmann# (Meinders 1759, Herold 1761)/straw/yellow/? Holnstein#/red (straw lining & turnbacks)/yellow/straw * These regiments were with the Bavarian Auxiliary Corps, serving with the Austrians at Breslau, Leuthen, etc. Their five grenadier companies were massed into a composite grenadier battalion. # These two regiments provided elements of the Kreis-Regiment Kurbayern, which was Bavaria's contribution to the Reichsarmee.
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Jemima Fawr | 10 May 2004 10:40 a.m. PST |
Oh dear, it seems to be a bit chopped up - well if you don't understand it, just say. Bavaria had no cavalry at this time - couldn't afford them! Bavarian generals stil wore the cornflower blue uniform though - with red facings and silver lace. |
Jemima Fawr | 11 May 2004 2:53 a.m. PST |
Correction to generals - the coat was cornflower blue, with black cuffs (not red) and no lapels. Silver lace down the front of the coat and round the cuffs. Yellow camisol and breeches. Red shabraque with silver edging. Silver lace and black feathered edge to tricorne. Additional Bavarian information: Belts were pipeclayed white. Cockades black. Grenadier caps had a bag but no plate. I use Old Glory 15mm Austrian grenadiers and just paint the plate black - it's very difficult to spot. Officers' sashes were silver with cornflower blue threads running through them (like Napoleonic). Gaiters were black. Artillery uniforms were light grey with mid-blue facings, yellow buttons and yellow hat lace (silver for officers). Gun carriages were painted grey. |
Jemima Fawr | 18 May 2004 9:02 a.m. PST |
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The Beast Rampant | 28 Jul 2004 7:02 p.m. PST |
Yes, RMD, thank you! ~Mike |
Jemima Fawr | 16 Sep 2004 4:22 p.m. PST |
Just bringing this to the top of the forum for the benefit of the recent discussion. Mark |
Jemima Fawr | 28 Nov 2005 4:43 a.m. PST |
Again, bringing this to the top of the forum. |