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The Beast Rampant03 May 2004 3:04 p.m. PST

Can anyone give me any information regarding who makes Seven Year's War Bavarians, or if, like many French-satellite Nappies, some other nation's uniform style is close enough. Pretty much all I have is the cornflower blue jackets. Any help regarding manufacturers or uniform info would be greatly appreciated!

~Mike

Big Miller Bro03 May 2004 3:46 p.m. PST

well actually my current contract was to produce some greens of Napoleonic Barvarians- I'll ask my custmer if he can post his email if you'd like to order some from him? You can see some photos at:

link

homenick03 May 2004 5:10 p.m. PST

During the Mid 18th century, Bavarian uniforms were the same cut and style as the Austrians of the same period.

Any SYW austrian figures can be used as Bavarians. Just paint them in the appropriate colours.

Any of the following manufacturers will do.

Old Glory
Essex
Minifigs
Freikorp 15's.

Arteis03 May 2004 8:30 p.m. PST

Bear in mind that there is some dispute if the Bavarians of the SYW wore cornflower blue, anyway. Some sources now say it was dark blue ( or savoy blue ) that they wore at this time.

For an article about the shade of blue worn by Bavarians of this period, check out Question 3 on this page:

link


You might also like to look at these sites, too:

dare.paradise.net.nz/bavaria.htm

and:

link

The Beast Rampant06 May 2004 2:31 p.m. PST

Thanks for the info and links!

~Mike

Jemima Fawr09 May 2004 10:21 a.m. PST

It's well worth getting hold of the old Pengel & Hurt booklets on the subject. To my mind they absolutely prove the case for dark blue uniforms (and indeed white oversmocks in winter - camouflage perhaps?!). The argument (supported by a lot of evidence in those booklets) is that Bavaria was bankrupted following the Wars of Austrian Succession, when Bavaria pressed its claim on the Imperial throne against Austria. The heavily-laced, French-style cornflower blue uniforms were vastly expensive and simplified dark blue uniforms were then introduced. They stayed in service until reintroduction of the old-style uniforms from 1762 onwards (i.e. right at the end of the war). So the Bavarian Auxiliary Corps at Breslau, Leuthen, etc should be in the dark blue uniforms. Use Austrian figures (including the grenadiers). I'll try to dig out the booklet and get facing colours for you.

Jemima Fawr10 May 2004 9:28 a.m. PST

Right - information found. It's also worth noting that the famous uniform paintings by the Swiss artist Morier (now mostly in the collection of HM the Queen) and painted from life for many of the monarchs and rulers of Europe, depict the dark blue uniform. Another economy measure was that a new coat was only issued every three years, whereas most armies issued them annually. Yet another was that the coat initially had no lapels - but they were re-introduced in 1750. Old-style laced black lapels were reintroduced for the Leib-Regt in 1760, along with light blue coats for the drummers and musicians, followed by regiment's grenadiers in 1761. The other regiments changed back into light blue well after the SYW.

Jemima Fawr10 May 2004 9:36 a.m. PST

Bavarian uniforms for the SYW:

Regiment/Facing Colour/Buttons & Hat Lace/Breeches and Camisols
Leib*/white/white/white
Kurprinz*/white/yelow/white
Minucci* (la Bosse 1759)/yellow/white/white (red camisols?)
Morawitzsky*/straw/white/?
Preysing/red/white/straw
Herzog Klemens*/red/yellow/white
Pechmann# (Meinders 1759, Herold 1761)/straw/yellow/?
Holnstein#/red (straw lining & turnbacks)/yellow/straw

* These regiments were with the Bavarian Auxiliary Corps, serving with the Austrians at Breslau, Leuthen, etc. Their five grenadier companies were massed into a composite grenadier battalion.
# These two regiments provided elements of the Kreis-Regiment Kurbayern, which was Bavaria's contribution to the Reichsarmee.

Jemima Fawr10 May 2004 9:39 a.m. PST

Sorry, there seems to be a formating problem. I'll try again:

Bavarian uniforms for the SYW:

Regiment/Facing Colour/Buttons & Hat Lace/Breeches and Camisols

Leib*/white/white/white Kurprinz*/white/yelow/white

Minucci* (la Bosse 1759)/yellow/white/white (red camisols?)

Morawitzsky*/straw/white/?

Preysing/red/white/straw Herzog

Klemens*/red/yellow/white

Pechmann# (Meinders 1759, Herold 1761)/straw/yellow/?

Holnstein#/red (straw lining & turnbacks)/yellow/straw

* These regiments were with the Bavarian Auxiliary Corps, serving with the Austrians at Breslau, Leuthen, etc. Their five grenadier companies were massed into a composite grenadier battalion.

# These two regiments provided elements of the Kreis-Regiment Kurbayern, which was Bavaria's contribution to the Reichsarmee.

Jemima Fawr10 May 2004 9:40 a.m. PST

Oh dear, it seems to be a bit chopped up - well if you don't understand it, just say. Bavaria had no cavalry at this time - couldn't afford them! Bavarian generals stil wore the cornflower blue uniform though - with red facings and silver lace.

Jemima Fawr11 May 2004 1:53 a.m. PST

Correction to generals - the coat was cornflower blue, with black cuffs (not red) and no lapels. Silver lace down the front of the coat and round the cuffs. Yellow camisol and breeches. Red shabraque with silver edging. Silver lace and black feathered edge to tricorne.

Additional Bavarian information: Belts were pipeclayed white. Cockades black. Grenadier caps had a bag but no plate. I use Old Glory 15mm Austrian grenadiers and just paint the plate black - it's very difficult to spot. Officers' sashes were silver with cornflower blue threads running through them (like Napoleonic). Gaiters were black.

Artillery uniforms were light grey with mid-blue facings, yellow buttons and yellow hat lace (silver for officers). Gun carriages were painted grey.

Jemima Fawr18 May 2004 8:02 a.m. PST

So any use to you?

Mark

The Beast Rampant28 Jul 2004 6:02 p.m. PST

Yes, RMD, thank you!

~Mike

Jemima Fawr16 Sep 2004 3:22 p.m. PST

Just bringing this to the top of the forum for the benefit of the recent discussion.

Mark

Jemima Fawr28 Nov 2005 3:43 a.m. PST

Again, bringing this to the top of the forum.

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