"Dark Age = Dave Doust = New Wave" Topic

I brought this up in an earlier post last week, but it seems someone thought differently. Dave Doust does own a good portion of Dark Age miniatures, so much so that the employees were getting their paychecks from him. I don't know if they continue to because the folks I know left the company.

Dave Poole has also been known to go into a vein bursting tirade to inform retailers and distributors in a closed forum that Dave Doust had nothing to do with Dark Age, but refused to say who the owners really were. He also refused to comment on who signed the paychecks.

So remember, every Dark Age mini you purchase helps to keep New Wave's door open just that much longer.

I'm not suggesting I believe you- no offense intended; but are you referring to Dark Age Games? Dark Age Miniatures is part of, I believe, Discount Hobby and the two should not be confused. Someone feel free to correct me if I'm wrong about them being seperate entities.

I will abmit that Dave Poole has rabidly defended New Wave and Dave Doust in the past at The Warp.

I don't suppose you have anything to back up your statement? Otherwise I'm afraid (true or not) it's just rumor-mongering which everyone has had enough of, I'm afraid.

Who cares... The miniatures are pretty cool. I especially like the Dragyri sculpts. Very elegant.

When you base your sculpts on Brom's work, it's hard to go wrong.

Yeah... Even those Forsaken are cool. The Saints rock out as leader types.

As one of the sculptors who work for Discount Hobby, I can assure you that "Dark Ages Miniatures" from Discount Hobby are in no way associated with Dark Age Games.

Wow. Sandra's here! :) Man, we get -everybody- at TMP.

So WHO is evil and shouldn't be bought? I'm sooo confused! 8)=

I've never heard of anyone having problems with DA Games similar to those associated with New Wave. (yes I've had problems with NW myself) That isn't to say it will or won't happen - but what if Mr Doust is simply a $ backer?
While I don't have real time to investigate DA games right now, I do like and own some figs. My understanding is that he also sells on eBay and the one time I bought from him there, it wasn't a problem.

Who cares if Dark Age is affiliated with New Wave - the miniatures are cool and a great alternative to many other companies. I too have had problems with New Wave, but they still are around so they must satisfy SOME of their customers or perhaps all their business is first time buyers. I am sure that New Wave can change it's practices and will if they see a significant decrease in their business. I guess my complaint with this thread is - If you don't have the facts - why post it.

Sorry, yes Dark Age Games.

I don't have any copies of these folks paycheck stubs laying around at the moment. Besides it seems from the sounds of this I could have them come on here and tell you all about the company and Dave, but no one would believe them. Everybody seems to want to villify Dave, and then turn around hand him money and have a flowerfest for him. It's enough to boggle the brain.

I think you are boggling my brain with your personal attacks on Dave :D

Has Dark Age Games screwed you out of some money? If not, why all the fuss? Have you not thought that sometimes HUGE companies and corporations actually own and operate many different subsidiary companies, and some are great to deal with and some are not?

Maybe you are an anti-sock puppet, trying to get publicity :D

Why punish blameless others, just to spike Dave's guns?

Look, here's how life works: There is a business that is inefficient, or even down-right evil. People stop patronizing that business and it either a) changes its ways or b) goes under.

If the businessman has invested funds into another business, which is neither inefficient nor evil (and nothing you've told me suggests that Dark Age Games is either), then that business goes well. More money goes into the more efficient business, and a simple comparison between the two businesses would suggest to the businessman that company A is not doing so well as company B. He either can shut down A or make it emulate B.

I suggest that most of the posters on TMP don't really with to see any supplier of minis go under, just be both honest and efficient.

Tacha

While I have a vested interest (i.e. we sell Dark-Age), I don't understand how a link between the company and the man who owns New Wave justifies not buying them?

If David Doust invented a cure for cancer and wanted to sell it are you suggesting we don't buy it because he also owns new Wave?

By all means boycott New Wave if they've screwed you but passing the blame down through a chain of unsubstantiated investment is a little silly. What about all the companies who sell 'to' New Wave and thus help him make money? Want to boycott all them too? What about the car company that enables him to get to work? The food companies that allow him to live so he can drive his car?

As someone else said, if you don't like New Wave, don't use them. 'If' anyone associated with new Wave has put money into another game and that game 'does not' screw people over then surely that's a good thing?

Artemis

I'm confused, which is the Brom-inspired figs, Dark-Age Minitures or Dark-Age Games?

Oh, and in the crazy bizzaro relation, I recently won two auctions from dakkon@newwave and got them with no fuss.

I think the world is about to end.. someone hold me!

'Dark-Age Games' are the Brom inspired miniatures and game

'Dark Ages' is a miniature line at Discount Hobby.

Artemis

I think we should burn all the green things so that he has no oxygen.

I'll start burning my Orks.

blaah, ble, bibble, gack, cough, cough.
Stupid toxic burning plastic fumes.

Artemis- which one am I supposed to hate?

I believe Warlok wants you to hate Dark-Age Games, I'd prefer you not to though ;)

Artemis

[What about all the companies who sell 'to' New Wave and thus help him make money? Want to boycott all them too?]

I think someone posted at TMP about starting a letter-writing campaign, but nothing came of it.

Hey look, as long as Dave Doust doesn't give any of my money to religious groups then... no wait. wrong thread!

Are you somehow suggesting I dump my Dark Age armies because of New Wave?

Anyone want some 25mm Vikings and Saxons?

;-)

I'll defer to the comments made by Artemis for any serious thought.

Well I recently wrote a letter to the editor of Harbinger magazine about the use of proxy miniatures. His argument being if you like a certain game then you should show loyalty to the company by buying their minis. In turn I wrote e-mails to several of New Wave's suppliers explaining how he has been cheating people. ($45 from me) I wasn't the only one writing New Wave's suppliers either. The suppliers basically came back with a "We know about New Wave's problem, but, it's not our problem" I guess loyalty only goes one way.

It is a business however. If I produced a product and a company paid me for it promptly, I wouldn't care what they in turn do with it... unless it was guns :P

If you're all that bothered about boycotting Dark Age to effect New Wave then you should avoid Cool Mini or Not too as I believe it's the same guy

Of course that is silly and, despite what I may or may not feel about New Wave, as it happens I quite like the Dark Age minis (although I only have one to date) and I visit CMoN on an almost daily basis

Well, since my name was brought up time to register an account and clear a little air here (I'm a bigtime lurker).

First, I have not been involved with Dark Age Games in ANY way since September 2002. I was the project manager/web developer/jack of all trades for the first year of existence then resigned for my own reasons. So any references to things I have said about DAG go back well over a year and a half AT LEAST and is old news.

And I certainly wouldn't call polite postings about what info I could release "tirades". I have always been open and honest with everyone and answered questions that I could in as polite a manner as possible. I'm a little old school in that regard :)

While at least one of my close friends is still involved I won't even talk to him about DAG, just don't want to know, so I have no recent news for you. If you have questions about their business I suggest you use their email contact info or refer to their bulletin boards for more recent info.

At the time of start up, I was as open as I could be about DAG's ownership and answered any question I could see. They were started by a group of people who invested together and as a private business that's about as much as they wanted known - fair enough, that's their call and as a private company their right as they are the ones who ponied up the cash. I know some of that ownership group has evolved since then, but I don't know the details nor do I care to. Again, if you want the latest I suggest you contact them. You may not get much of an answer but that is their right.

If you wish to contact me about this further please feel free. My email address is poole31@bellsouth.net

Thanks, I hope that helps
Dave

Yeah, I think it's time to air out a little bit of the NewWave / DAG laundry..

DA_Grafter is David Doust on their (Dark-Age.com)'s boards. Anyone who tells you differently is either ignorant or desires to obscure the truth. Grafter is (or at least WAS) in charge of the general production of the game.

How would I know this, you may ask? Well, Lordbunny and I worked on Dark Age up until about December 2003.

It's fair to say, however, that Dark Age Games and New Wave are mutually exclusive of one another, though there might be a serious conflict of interest inherently in an online store producing a game that gets distributed to OTHER online stores. I for one don't care any more. If you like the game, that's perfectly cool. Buy it. A lot of hard work went into it, and there's nothing wrong with supporting the people who work underneath Doust--I mean, Grafter. If you don't like the game, don't buy it. It's just that simple.