YogiBearMinis  | 07 Feb 2011 11:18 a.m. PST |
How does the Xyston carthaginian elephants with howdah compare to essex or corvus belli in size? What about the Xyston indian elephants compared to equivalent from Essex and others? There is so much discussion of Xyston scale screep, plus I don't know how accurate the scaling is for the elephants independent of scale creep. |
| ancientsgamer | 07 Feb 2011 11:51 a.m. PST |
Xyston is really 18mm scale. It isn't about scale creep as much as about 'heroic' scale. Scale creep would be a manufacturer creating a line of figures and then the figures starting to get larger over time; ie. inconsistency (which can easily happen when using multiple sculptures) Xyston is very consistent in their figures. But their scale is relaly 18mm and more stout than Essex or Corvus Belli. |
| Lord of the Sock Puppets | 07 Feb 2011 5:46 p.m. PST |
Always been a nagging question to me. How tall should an Indian or North African elephant be in 15mm (yes, it is a) scale? |
| Swampster | 08 Feb 2011 4:36 a.m. PST |
Looks like an Indian elephant would be (at the shoulder) around 50% taller than a man, with exceptional examples being more than twice as tall as a man. If the figures of men are 18mm, the nellies should be around 30ish mm at the shoulder. Some can be considerably smaller but presumably these woudn't be first choice for battle. Some could be over 35mm.
North African elephants are estimated as being around 25-30% taller than a man, so perhaps 24mm at the shoulder. I haven't seeen the Xyston elephants in the flesh, so can't compare with CB, but going by the photos the Cartho African elephant does look like it isn't much taller than the mahout, with the Indians elephants taller. |
| phil bagnall | 08 Feb 2011 5:21 a.m. PST |
"Xyston is really 18mm scale. It isn't about scale creep as much as about 'heroic' scale. Scale creep would be a manufacturer creating a line of figures and then the figures starting to get larger over time; ie. inconsistency (which can easily happen when using multiple sculptures) Xyston is very consistent in their figures. But their scale is relaly 18mm and more stout than Essex or Corvus Belli" Interesting comment ancientsgamer, and rather at odds with the majority of posters regarding Xyston. The thureophori are renowned for being outsize compared to the earlier hellenistics, the republican romans largely spoken of as closer to 20mm than 18 – and the new owners of Xyston also accepted size inconsistency had happened when they took over, with recent sculpts creeping up in size. I love xyston figures, but if there is a company in this scale guilty of scale creep they would be it! |
| Lord of the Sock Puppets | 08 Feb 2011 3:29 p.m. PST |
|
| pcelella | 08 Feb 2011 3:41 p.m. PST |
I just posted some photos of painted Xyston Macedonian elephants on my blog if anyone is interested. The link is: link I don't have any comparison photos with Essex or Corvus Belli though. Peter C
Sword and Sandal Gaming Blog
link |
| Custor | 22 Mar 2011 4:48 a.m. PST |
pcelella,
I've just ordered some ele's. Any tips on assembly? Glue/cutting/pinning/filler? |
| Tarantella | 22 Mar 2011 7:52 a.m. PST |
Essex elephants fit comfortably within a 40 x 40mm base with no appreciable overhang when facing forwards. Those very nicely painted Xyston elephants are angled to fit and still overhang so must be at least 15% larger and the crew veritable giants! |
| Keraunos | 22 Mar 2011 8:34 a.m. PST |
The Xyston Indian nellie fits on the 40mm base I used (if you forgive the stray dog hair I only just spotted in the photo) (hoping tiny URL works – I had to refresh once loaded myself – these are some links) tinyurl.com/66amm55 but the forward trunk is the overhang issue – it depends upon our storage whether this is an issue requiring 'diagonal' basing, I think. Assembly didn't strike me as a large issue, assuming you have the usual handy small file kit and some good Super Glue. I think I remember correctly that they are not 'based' so you should prepare the element base fully first, and then stick them on – as you would with a chariot. an idea which you may want to try which I think works particularly well with elephants in general, is to double base them and put three models on the larger base. tinyurl.com/5v7uwcn
tinyurl.com/657yjrb
these ones are Donnington, Essex and I think FreiKorps (could be wrong, they are almost a decade old now, but are Helenistic : Ptolemeic hence the outrageously black footmen on the base)
I'm not a FoG player, so I don't know whether you can get away with non nellie-ment removal basing for elephants and take this option up though. |
paints a legend from the Trojan Wars.
