"Lasalle was a flop?" Topic

Again, a link to the original post – in English or not – would be appreciated. I'm starting to wonder if it exists at all, frankly.

I purchased Lasalle, then sold it only because I lost the Napoleonic bug for inexplicable reasons. Though I would now wait for the PDF version, I'm looking forward to Blucher, and have been thinking of picking up Might and Reason.

Anything that could awaken my dormant interest in Napoleonics for any length of time was no flop.

So this whole "analysis" is based on a non existant and inaccurate link (so far). What a pointless thread!

Cheers
Kieran

I just ordered Black Powder. Leaving for Iraq in the morning, so my wife will forward it over when I land with an APO address. I've surfed the book in my local store, Little Wars, here in Houston. Would have bought it there but it was closed. From what I've seen so far, it appears that it'll be some fun. I've been gaming General de Brigade for years and frankly love the rules. At some point I'll acquire LaSalla when I return and will then come to a more credible opinion.

Regardless, each rule set I've seen since my gaming began in the 1970's has had its merits and followers. To each his own. 10 wargmamers will have 20 opinions. Looking forward to my copy, not just for the eye candy, but to try something new.

10 wargmamers will have 20 opinions.

Truest thing on this thread!

Our club likes the rules fine and will continue to play them. As a club we all cannot agree on anything, rules, beer brands, politics you name it. But to a person we feel the rules are poorly organized. When we were talking abut this during the game I said if any of us mentions this one little criticism on TMP, the pitchforks and torches will come out quicker than a ZR1 in the quarter mile.

We have had to resort to taking the table of contents on page 2 and write by the phase number. That is, The Activity Phase – 3, Reaction Phase – 1 and so on. We have even taken to using post it notes and attached them to pages. For example The Reaction phase has a tab that says "#1 reaction" and so on.

We actually have to designate someone to call out the phases and the page number. Most of use have college degrees and some advance degrees, so I don't think were stupid or maybe the education is the problem? Can you be put in doghouse for calling yourself stupid?

By the way due to the slick pages in the book you have to use a soft leaded pencil like you buy in art supply stores to write notes in the margins. But once you get by this one inconvenience the rules play nicely and we really do like them.

I don't really care how many people overall buys the rules. I only care that we like them and will continue playing them. Although some of our guys are disappointed that they can't buy a hard copy. Maybe on ebay?

Alright, here's the link to the "analysis" I was referring to:
tabletop.egloos.com/5403439

Now let's see how many of you can read Korean!

It is a blog post discussing the demise of what he calls the "mini" scale, defined by miniatures smaller than 28mm.

He backs this up claiming that Lasalle has "failed" precisely because Lasalle, unlike Black Powder, is catered towards 6mm and 10mm miniatures.

Well, he talks about these absurd "facts" in such an affirmative and knowledgabe tone that I believed him for a moment.

Silly me…

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I can't see any connection.

2000 hard copies (all sold out) and 1000+ pdf sold doesn't sound much like a flop.

Thanks for eventually producing the link. I happen to have a South Korean wife, so… sometimes even links in Korean *are* helpful.

And the "analysis" is rubbish, btw.

Well I own BP, LS, and GdeB.

I knew I wouldnt play BP, but it was half price at AMazon and I knew Id enjoy the read and the fancy pics. Lets face it, in BP one artillery factor covers all guns from 3pdr to 18pdr, howitzer, smoothbore, licorne, rifled barrelled, and across all periods from 7YW to (more or less) Mons….. nah. not going to run with me as a rule set, but Im glad I bought it, and enjoyed the read.

LS is still in my loo. I still read it every day, enjoy the pics and am trying to understand it enough to play a game.

GdB is in the other loo! I dont play at that level of game, but if I did Id use GdeB.

All of the above are pretty books which are a delight to read, and deserve success – and I think achieved it.

However, the set we use at the club to actually play Naps is none of these. Its not as nice to look at, no pretty coloured piucs, no hardback binding. But they play really really well and have a lot of online support. Thats Age of Eagles by Bill Gray.

Success is a multi-faceted concept.

"because Lasalle, unlike Black Powder, is catered towards 6mm and 10mm miniatures."

I do sometimes wonder where people come up with these sorts of "analyses." The book is full of photos of 15mm, 28mm, and even 40mm figures in play, and offers basing conventions for three different scales.

"I do sometimes wonder where people come up with these sorts of "analyses." The book is full of photos of 15mm, 28mm, and even 40mm figures in play, and offers basing conventions for three different scales.
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Agree, the majority of pictures show 15mm, most of which apear to be AB, but there are plenty of 40 and 28mm pictures to

Aren't Koreans all 6mm or 10mm anyway? Perhaps that's where it becomes confusing for the reviewer?

A sold out cannot be a flop by definition. A sold out means that more copies have been sold than those expected.

You can sell 1 million copies but if your aim was 2 millions (because to sell so many you have spent money: adverts, marketing…) then this is a flop.

For a small company more than 1000 copies is a success.

As for the rules I like them and I prefer to BP (that anyway is probably my favorite rulebook to browse… worth for the eye candies)

Is that really appropriate RM

Personally I hate Lasalle. 98% of my neighbours either did not like this set of rules or asked what the hell I was talking about.
2 guys at a bus stop also suggested the name sounds vaguely floppy.

This is such a lame topic. Who cares what others think? And statistics bogus or otherwise do not make opinions any more valid.

I do sometimes wonder where people come up with these sorts of "analyses." The book is full of photos of 15mm, 28mm, and even 40mm figures in play, and offers basing conventions for three different scales.

Because no matter how thorough you try to be in your conception of what it is you are trying to design someone in your audience is going to interpret what it is you were trying to achieve differently than was the intention…

Sadly, some people just do not have the mental capacity to understand things even if the intent is plainly obvious to most others.

Hi there,

People buy the rules, play the rules and like them, I can't see how that could equal a 'flop'

Sam, perhaps could consider them a flop if they didn't meet some aspect of his expectations.

There is some interesting debate on Sam's site about possible fine tuning to competition play conditions, but I'd see this as a good sign that people are playing the rules and are committed to getting a better game out of them.

Regards

David B

While Republic of Korea is full of beautiful girls… it is not full of discerning gamers… now if the Korean MoD will give me a job (or the Korean Navy) situation will change…

He backs this up claiming that Lasalle has "failed" precisely because Lasalle, unlike Black Powder, is catered towards 6mm and 10mm miniatures.

Strange statement. In our group, the majority game using 15/18mm figures--two others use 28mm. With the BW as the unit of measure, any size can be used.