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Marc33594 Supporting Member of TMP05 Nov 2010 3:36 a.m. PST

Seems a new player in the 15mm armor arena. Zvezda has announced it first two armor kits, a PZ-II and a T-26, in plastic as 1/100th kits.
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At $4.25 USD preorder or $4.75 USD normal price if these are decent and match up with existing 15mm items, could prove very popular. Not as robust perhaps as metal or solid resin. The T-26 states 6 parts to the kit so not overly fiddly. Be interesting to see where this line goes.

Griefbringer05 Nov 2010 3:47 a.m. PST

There are pictures of the kits on the Zvezda website.

Panzer II: picture

T-26: picture
Sprue: picture

OldGrenadier at work05 Nov 2010 3:58 a.m. PST

Very nice indeed. Does 1/100th mix with 15mm very well?

paulkit05 Nov 2010 4:04 a.m. PST

Most 15mm vehicles models are 1/100th scale.

Garand05 Nov 2010 4:37 a.m. PST

Although the picture is a little small, that might be the best PzII I've seen yet, in terms of proportions and accuracy…

Damon.

Griefbringer05 Nov 2010 5:03 a.m. PST

Here is a better pic of the Panzer II from Zvezda website:

picture

Better to ignore that silly flag in the background. Apparently it has something to do with some sort of WWII miniatures game that Zvezda is planning to crank out (presumably called "Art of Tactic").

mad monkey 105 Nov 2010 5:42 a.m. PST

SCW time. Drats, they be in the wrong scale. I just inherited a bunch of 20mm (thanks Henri)

Garand05 Nov 2010 5:49 a.m. PST

Not bad at all.

Damon.

Griefbringer05 Nov 2010 6:20 a.m. PST

And another picture for the T-26:

picture

As for the robustness factor, these do not look like they would be easy to break unless you step on top of them. The only slightly vulnerable item I can spot is the MG barrel on the Panzer II.

Personal logo Bobgnar Supporting Member of TMP05 Nov 2010 6:55 a.m. PST

I would lose the big flag, but otherwise these are excellent models. I will get these for my Blitzkrieg Germans.

BCantwell05 Nov 2010 6:59 a.m. PST

Those look really nice. I'll definitely be keeping a close eye on Zvezda for more releases in this range

Marc33594 Supporting Member of TMP05 Nov 2010 8:33 a.m. PST

Encouraged they are going to do a miniatures game, means more models hopefully. They are also doing 1/144th scale WW II aircraft with the first two announced being a Stuka and the IL-2 Stormovik. Like the armor simple kits apparently. Same price range.

95thRegt05 Nov 2010 10:13 a.m. PST

You only get ONE for that price?? Seems kinda pricey for plastic.

Bob

jameshammyhamilton05 Nov 2010 10:18 a.m. PST

They look quite nice. I will be interested to see the price point when they make it to the UK.

*EDIT* Hmm, I thought so. You can get 3 metal CD Panzer IIs for $13.20. It rather makes the price look a touch on the high side.

Garand05 Nov 2010 11:13 a.m. PST

Where can you get 3 metal CD Panzer IIs for $13.20? Are those Command Decision (aka Old Glory/Skytrex)? I just checked the website and they're $22 USD ($7.34 per). UK prices are comparatively more expensive (over $9 USD per). The CD ones aren't bad, but I don't own any, and the round hulled version might have some shape problems. But the plastic version is half the price, though perhaps the OG membership card might be a real influence…

Damon.

aecurtis Fezian05 Nov 2010 11:17 a.m. PST

Well… better than some of the metal and resin ones on the market, which is damning with faint praise:

link

When I was a wee lad, back in the '60s, I used to find cheap, snap-together plastic vehicles at the store. I'd take them home, compare them to scale drawings and photos in things like "Airfix" magazine, and wonder: "Why can't they make these models accurate? I know they're cheap, but surely it's not much more expensive to get it right on the master than to get it wrong."

Forty-odd years later, I'm still wondering. Except that these aren't cheap.

Allen

Griefbringer05 Nov 2010 11:44 a.m. PST

BTW if I understand the Zvezda website correctly, the price for these in Russia is 70 rubles, which should be less than $2.5 USD USD.

With the US price at $4.75 USD I would presume that somebody in the middle is making some profit.

jameshammyhamilton05 Nov 2010 12:39 p.m. PST

"Where can you get 3 metal CD Panzer IIs for $13.20?"
warweb.com , effectively the 40% card holder discount for anyone :D

Pat Ripley Fezian05 Nov 2010 3:10 p.m. PST

i am definitely not reading this post…

badger2205 Nov 2010 3:14 p.m. PST

I have had bad luck with WW in the past, but the 40% Army card makes things all better again.

And if you get much Old Glory or command Decision, and you dont get the army carrd, you have way to much money and should send some of the extra to me.

Owen

jameshammyhamilton05 Nov 2010 3:32 p.m. PST

"I have had bad luck with WW in the past, but the 40% Army card makes things all better again."

I have only bought from WW twice but both times the service was good and as I live in the UK I was pleasantly suprised by the ease of the transaction.

Garand05 Nov 2010 5:15 p.m. PST

Unfortunately Warweb is out for me too, for personal reasons…

Damon.

pnguyenho05 Nov 2010 7:31 p.m. PST

If they could also produce the vehicles in 1/72 fast builds, I will gladly buy some.

DuckanCover05 Nov 2010 7:48 p.m. PST

I'll watch for further 15mm/1:100 releases from Zvezda with interest….

Duck

BobbieTheDamned06 Nov 2010 6:24 a.m. PST

Look good to me. Can't see the models being much easier to break than the BF models with plastic parts and I've not heard of that being common.

The game Zvezda are releasing these for seems to use 1/72 scale infantry which is a shame.

However I've spied a T34:
picture
and a Panzer III G (if I'm not mistaken anyway):
picture

Both are in the starter set for 'Art of tactic' but I'm sure they'll be out on their own soon.

Rob.

Griefbringer06 Nov 2010 8:53 a.m. PST

If they could also produce the vehicles in 1/72 fast builds, I will gladly buy some.

No idea if they will do that, but they are cranking out a snap-fit 1/72 Tiger kit. Does not really look like a quick assembly model though:

link

The game Zvezda are releasing these for seems to use 1/72 scale infantry which is a shame.

It certainly sounds like a strange idea to mix 1/72 infantry, 1/100 tanks and 1/144 aircraft in the same game. Plus artillery in who-knows-what scale.

That said, the infantry sets do not really look attractive – flat, uninspiring and lacking in poses. Those MG teams looks somewhat better, though.

BobbieTheDamned06 Nov 2010 10:24 a.m. PST

It certainly sounds like a strange idea to mix 1/72 infantry, 1/100 tanks and 1/144 aircraft in the same game. Plus artillery in who-knows-what scale.

Artillery seems to be in 1/72 too by the looks of things.

WarHighlander06 Nov 2010 2:01 p.m. PST

I'm very intrigued.

WarpSpeed06 Nov 2010 3:19 p.m. PST

Would the tanks would be about the same size as the Shermans and Panthers from "Tank Battle",the late 70,s game?

Longstrider06 Nov 2010 10:48 p.m. PST

That T-34 looks nice.

WarpSpeed06 Nov 2010 11:00 p.m. PST

That t -34 painted in finnish colours arggh!CMBB.

CATMAN207 Nov 2010 7:02 a.m. PST

Just thought you guys should know that we at the Plastic Soldier Company are soon to release (weeks rather than months)our first 15mm/1 100th plastic injection easy assembly T34 tank kit. We will be putting 5 sprues/vehicles in a box. Each sprue will have options to build either a T34/76 or T34/85 and will have open hatch options and a commander torso. Price to be announced very soon.

Cheriton07 Nov 2010 9:30 a.m. PST

>>our first 15mm/1 100th plastic injection easy assembly T34 tank kit<<

Sounds intriguing, will await with great anticipation. I've often wondered when "sprue" kits in this scale would prove a good venture.

Good luck, may your idea(s) grow apace… guinness

Stroem07 Nov 2010 11:16 a.m. PST

That T-34 is actually painted in very russian colours.

I love all these new plastic 15mm offerings in any case, and I'm hoping we'll see many, many, more of them!

spontoon07 Nov 2010 11:57 a.m. PST

Isn't 1/100 a bit small for 15mm? That would make the average soldier 1.5m tall.

BobbieTheDamned07 Nov 2010 4:17 p.m. PST

Isn't 1/100 a bit small for 15mm? That would make the average soldier 1.5m tall.

Nope because figure scale is from the foot to the eye, the actual height of a 15mm figure is more like 16.5mm still a little short but figures are stockier than they really should be so it all works out. Most 15mm WW2 manufacturers use 1/100.

WarHighlander07 Nov 2010 9:15 p.m. PST

"Just thought you guys should know that we at the Plastic Soldier Company are soon to release (weeks rather than months)our first 15mm/1 100th plastic injection easy assembly T34 tank kit. We will be putting 5 sprues/vehicles in a box. Each sprue will have options to build either a T34/76 or T34/85 and will have open hatch options and a commander torso. Price to be announced very soon."

Way to threadjack a thread about another manufacturer's product with info about your own product…

GeoffQRF08 Nov 2010 1:36 a.m. PST

Isn't 1/100 a bit small for 15mm?

Actually, technically 1/100 is a bit big for 15mm. True 15mm is more like 1:120. 1:100 is 18mm.

BobbieTheDamned08 Nov 2010 4:10 a.m. PST

In more related news I contacted Modelhobbies (seller of quite a lot of plastic kits), they say they'll be stocking these in the UK for the price of £2.25 GBP each.

PilGrim08 Nov 2010 8:09 a.m. PST

Looking at the main box content pic theres another aircraft behind the Ju87 – looks like a 109, and both sides get arty , AA (theres a German 20mm and a and ATGs and 2 types of tanks. The guns and infantry liik to be the same scale, so 1:72

That PzII looks very tempting

Nick Bowler08 Nov 2010 3:23 p.m. PST

Just to hijack an already hijacked thread:

Average human height 1880 – 1950: 1.73 m.

An average body is 7 heads high, and the eyes are in the middle of the head. Hence average height to the eye is 13/14 x 1.73m = 1.61m

Hence 1/100 figs are 16mm (for WWII).

jameshammyhamilton09 Nov 2010 2:16 a.m. PST

Hmm, £2.25 GBP a model….. I can see a T-26 battalion on the way to join the BT-7s and all the other Soviet tanks in my collection :D

archstanton7309 Nov 2010 4:03 a.m. PST

Yes at £2,25 for a kit I can se Battlefront quickly bringing out plastics themselves!!

GeoffQRF09 Nov 2010 4:41 a.m. PST

Hence 1/100 figs are 16mm (for WWII).

That's sole to eye. 1.73m in 1:100 is 17.3mm overall height. Stuff a big tin hat on top, and you're pretty much at 18mm.

'True' 15mm figures were 15mm to top of head, or closer to 1:120 in scale. More recent developments have seen '15mm' figures being 15mm from sole to eye. By your scaling, that would make them approx 16mm overall, or 1:107.

The last few years have seen '15mm' vehicles standardise to 1:100 scale, partly because the bases on '15mm' figures makes them taller than their scaling. (Although many of our vehicles have been 1:100 for far longer than that). :-)

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