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Personal logo Lluis of Minairons Sponsoring Member of TMP14 Apr 2004 4:00 p.m. PST

Hello,

I had in mind mounting for POW some units of the french royalists' Army Of Condé during their period in service of Russia (approx. 1796-1801), but in spite of having found some information on their composition and order of battle under the Volhynia-Podolia Inspection, I've hardly found illustrations of their uniforms (Duke of Bourbon grenadiers), and by no means any information on flags carried by these regiments.

Could anyone give me some help on this matter, please?

Thanks a lot,
LLuís

nvrsaynvr13 Jun 2004 2:27 p.m. PST

The three regiments had the following common features, except as noted later.

Black facing for collar, cuffs, and lapels. Red turnbacks.
White breeches and waistcoats. Black gaiters.
Yellow metal work.
Coffee wood work.

The Prince de Condé Noble Regiment
had velvet facings, straw colored breeches and waistcoats, and, only for full dress, white gaiters.

The Prince Hohenlohe German Regiment
was identical to the
Duc de Bourbon Grenadier Regiment,
except for white metal work (buttons and mitre plates).

Headgear:

The Noble Regiment had hats with straight gold lace, no cockade, and
a gold button for all. The regiment was composed of nobles, and the lace was normally
an officer distinction.

The Grenadier Regiment mitre had a straw bag, crimson band, and black and
yellow seam piping. Either the troop were all considered grenadiers,
or fusilier mitres followed a similar scheme.
Officer hats were like the Noble Regiment.

Simple musketeers of the German regiment had a hat without lace or cockade, but a silver button.
Grenadiers would have presumably had the same pattern as the Grenadier Regimemt but with silver
metal work. However, Haythronthwaite specifies a dk.green bag.

Lace:
All boutonnieres were squared at the button hole, and pointed, with or without
tassel, at the other end. Stripes were zigzagged such that it appeared
as a connected chain of X's (i.e. XXXX).

The Noble Regiment had 7 on each lapel (the 7th at an angle under the collar.),
2 on each side just below the lapel, two on the cuff flap above the cuff, 3 vertically
on each pocket flap, and 1 on each side at the back waist above the tails.
(This is a lavish display, more than the L.G. regiments. The illustrations show
7+2 on the coat front and 2 on the cuff for officiers, and 7 and 2 on the cuff
for the troop, so there may be some doubt.)
Lace was hammered gold without tassels for all.

The Grenadiers had two boutonnieres on the cuff flap above the cuff.
Tasseled lace was yellow for the troop, and gold with a crimson stripe for officiers.

The German Regiment presumably had the same,
although Haythornthwaite gives white boutonnieres.

Flags

All colored flags had a rectilinear cross superimposed upon the flared "cross"
of the 1797 standard.
All flags had a gold fleur-de-lys in each corner, top oriented toward the center.

The Noble Regiment had an all white white flag,
and colored flags with a black cross on a white field.

The Grenadier Regiment had an orange cross on the white flag,
and an orange cross on the blue field for the colored flags.

The German Regiment had a blue cross on the white flag,
and black cross on a straw field for the colored flags.

Geert van Uythoven13 Jun 2004 4:18 p.m. PST

There is some information in Philip Haythornthwaite's Osprey's Men-at-Arms No.185, "The Russian Army of the Napoleonic Wars (1): Infantry, 1799-1814". PlateA4 shows a grenadier of the Duke of Bourbon's Grenadiers. The accompanying text gives additional information.

Best regards, Geert

nvrsaynvr13 Jun 2004 6:52 p.m. PST

Continued...

Dragoons:

Duc de Berri Noble Dragoon Regiment: black velvet facings: collar, cuffs, lapels.
Yellow metalwork, lace, and cording.
Bouttonieres as the Noble Regiment, 7 on each lapel for all,
in addition to the 2 below the lapels for officers.

Duc d'Enghien Dragoon Regiment: black facings: collar and cuffs; no lapels.
White metalwork, lace, and cording.

Flags

All colored flags had a rectilinear cross superimposed upon the flared "cross"
of the 1797 standard.
All flags had a gold fleur-de-lys in each corner, top oriented toward the center.

The Noble Regiment had an all white white flag,
and colored flags with a black cross on a white field.

The Grenadier Regiment had an orange cross on the white flag,
and an orange cross on the blue field for the colored flags.

The German Regiment had a blue cross on the white flag,
and black cross on a straw field for the colored flags.

The Dragoon Regiments had a unique pattern, the size of the 1797 dragoon pattern,
but the motif of the cuirassier pattern. There were rhomboid corner fields,
approximately a 1/5 of the sides of the flag, with the center most corner extended
toward the center to about 1/4 the length of the flag sides.
In each was a gold fleur-de-lys, top oriented toward the center.

Duc de Berri: Silver fringes and borders. Colored flag field is black.
White and colored standards had azure corners.

Duc d'Enghien: Silver fringes and borders. Colored flag field is yellow.
White and colored standards had azure corners.


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