| Some Chicken | 10 Oct 2010 5:00 a.m. PST |
A 1941 leichte panzer kompanie equipped with Pz III (three zuge, apparently numbers 1,2 and 3) also included a leichte panzerzug of five Pz II. Sources I have seen simply refer to this as the "leichte panzerzug" but don't give it a number within the kompanie. There is a photo in Jentz's "Tank Combat in North Africa" which shows a Pz II outside Tobruk carrying the number 241, suggesting the leichte zug was probably the fourth zug within the kompanie (kompanie 2 in this case) but I haven't read that anywhere. Can someone confirm this is correct please? Steve |
| GarrisonMiniatures | 10 Oct 2010 5:24 a.m. PST |
241 would be the second tank of the 2nd platoon of the 1st company. A good reference for questions of this type would be 'Blitzkrieg. Armoue Camouflage and Markings, 1939-1940' by Steven J Zaloga, ISBN 18540916554 – it often comes up on Ebay in both UK and USa versions. |
| Some Chicken | 10 Oct 2010 5:42 a.m. PST |
241 would be the second tank of the 2nd platoon of the 1st company Surely the numbering ran the other way round, ie kompanie, zug, panzer? |
| GarrisonMiniatures | 10 Oct 2010 7:09 a.m. PST |
Quite right – apologies. Actual quote from book: The first f the 3 numbers indicated kompanie, the second zug, and the third was the individual tank number……the tanks of the company's headquarters section would generally be numbered 101, 102; 201,202, etc…..plus a lot more. |
| Some Chicken | 10 Oct 2010 1:23 p.m. PST |
Which brings me back to my original question. Was the leichte zug the fourth zug in a 1941 panzer kompanie? |
| Starfury Rider | 10 Oct 2010 2:52 p.m. PST |
Well theoretically they were actually part of Coy HQ; link link Panzer IDs are not my strong suite, but if they numbered Platoons consecutively within Companies (rather than within the Battalion) then 4th Platoon would seem right for the Panzer II element. Gary |
| Some Chicken | 11 Oct 2010 12:46 p.m. PST |
Gary – many thanks for your response and the helpful KStN links. I hadn't come across wwiidaybyday before but have added it to my favourites! Ditto T – correct first time or second? Meistens habe ich Englisch gesprochen …… nur mit den richtigen deutschen Wortern. Vielleicht sollte ich "squadron" und "troop" in ihren Platzen sagen!  |
| Some Chicken | 12 Oct 2010 11:11 a.m. PST |
Tim – the sense of it was that I was speaking in English and merely using the correct terms which (unsurprisingly) are German. The final sentence was intended to be ironic, offering to substitute "squadron" and "troop" for "kompanie" and "zug" on the probably mistaken assumption that you belonged to the "company" and "platoon" camp. But I see you are, in fact, Canadian so my attempted irony fell flat. Doubly so, if you couldn't understand it! That will teach me.  Steve |
| Some Chicken | 13 Oct 2010 2:22 a.m. PST |
Oui, I am Canadian, but you are still a chicken! True, and I have Some Neck.  |
| davidedwardmawer | 18 Feb 2024 1:22 p.m. PST |
An example from 1940 La Horgne, France: Panzer II number 805 = 5th Tank of Company HQ. Assuming 801 and 802 are taken by the command tank and his assistant, then the leichte zug would be 803-807 (the leichte Zug of the 8th Kompanie, soit's the II. Abteilung/batallion). |
| Col Piron | 19 Feb 2024 3:12 a.m. PST |
This is from the , 1.Panzer Division May-June 1940
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| donlowry | 19 Feb 2024 9:08 a.m. PST |
By 1941 there was only one panzer regiment per panzer division. And, yes, the numbering ran company, platoon (zug), vehicle. |
looks at some WWII German tank-hunters.
