| Travellera | 07 Oct 2010 10:35 p.m. PST |
Can anyone give advice on Spanish uniforms in Mexico during the independence struggle in Mexico 1807-1821. It is tempting to use Spanish Napoleonic figures but maybe they would be incorrect? |
| summerfield | 08 Oct 2010 4:17 a.m. PST |
Dear Sir
You would want to use late Spanish Napoleonic Figures post 1815. The shakos became more bell shaped (like the French) rather than the stovepipe shakos. There are a number of Bueno books on the subject. Stephen |
| Procopius | 08 Oct 2010 5:00 a.m. PST |
Would the Mexican uniforms have been the same as for Argentina/Bolivia etc during the same era? I picked up some Mike Broadbent South American liberation wars figures at MOAB last weekend. I'm hoping to do a South American army or two in the near future. If you're interested, I could take some pics of the (bare) figs and post them somewhere. Cheers, Glynn |
| Travellera | 08 Oct 2010 6:50 a.m. PST |
Stephen/Glynn, many thanks for your comments. Can you direct me to some titles of the Bueno books mentioned? Any pictures of miniatures would be very nice. Who is the manufacturer of the ones you have? any URL? Could maybe Perry Isabelino infantry for the Carlist wars work? |
aecurtis  | 08 Oct 2010 7:45 a.m. PST |
"Can you direct me to some titles of the Bueno books mentioned?" Good question. I have a number of his, and none address that conflict. The closest would be "Uniformes Militares Espanoles: Tropas Virreynales (I) Nueva Espana, Yucatan y Luisiana", but it cuts off far too early. Likewise his "El Ejército y la Armada en 1808" and "Uniformes Españoles de la Guerra de Independencia". The figure range Glynn mentions is John Fletcher's Grenadier Productions: grenadierproductions.com They are excellent. Allen |
| Travellera | 08 Oct 2010 9:38 a.m. PST |
Thanks Allen, seems the search has to continue… |
| aecurtis | 08 Oct 2010 9:53 a.m. PST |
You're looking for 25/28s? Allen |
| SJDonovan | 08 Oct 2010 9:55 a.m. PST |
I don't know anything about the conflict so apologies if this proves to be less than helpful but you may find some uniform details here: link |
| aecurtis | 08 Oct 2010 10:12 a.m. PST |
Oh, that's very good for Spain, 1815-1823, which covers most of the War of Liberation. Allen |
| Travellera | 08 Oct 2010 11:07 a.m. PST |
"You're looking for 25/28s?" Yep |
| aecurtis | 08 Oct 2010 12:42 p.m. PST |
It is possible to do Royalist forces in the Americas in 28mm by careful selection. For example, these are all (I think) Front Rank Napoleonic figures, "morphed" for the South American campaigns: link It would be a matter of identifying the regular regiments present (easier to model), and then supplementing them with the local Royalist forces (harder for North America; but presidiales, for example, should be avaiable from Mexican-American War ranges). Allen |
| Travellera | 08 Oct 2010 1:54 p.m. PST |
Allen, thanks for the link. It seems bell-top shakos is the way to go. I wonder where it would be possible to find a list of Spanish regiments that served in Mexico to give it some historical flavour |
| aecurtis | 08 Oct 2010 3:47 p.m. PST |
I don't know. There are a couple of good studies on the Bourbon army in Nueva Espana before the Napoleonic Wars: Velasquez and Archer. But they only cover up to 1808 and 1810, respectively, so just get you to the Hidalgo Revolt. If anyone knows of any references for the next deacde, that would be very useful. Allen |
| Travellera | 09 Oct 2010 2:42 a.m. PST |
Picked up some references on the Axis history forum regarding regiments who went to Mexico: -Regimiento del Infante número 5, nicknamed "El Augusto" (The August): 1815-1819: War of Mexico (the regiment took part in the battle of Huanajuato) -Regimiento de Saboya número 6, nicknamed "El Terror de los Franceses" (The Terror of the Frenchmen): War in Mexico: (1813-1821): Battles in Hayotlán, Chilacoyoapán, Medellín, Cerro Cogote de Hagiaco, San Pedro, San Juan Pass, and Sonora. -Murcia Regiment was transferred to Mexico after the Napoleonic War and became 1st Americano Regiment |
| Florida Tory | 09 Oct 2010 7:07 a.m. PST |
The book by Antonio Manzano Lahoz and Luis Gravalos Gonzalez, "Los Uniformes del Estado Militar de Espana del Ano 1815" will give you a lot of what you are seeking. The book lists orders of battle and uniforms for the Spanish and Spanish colonial troops, including Nueva Espana, Goatemala, Yucatan, Cuba, the Floridas, and Puerto Rico as of 1815. (South America and the Philippines are also covered, for anyone interested in those areas, as is the Spanish homeland itself.) There is also a selection of uniforms depicted in color plates. I ordered my copy about 3 years ago from a Spanish hobby store that provided mail order service to the US. Most of the regiments and companies had blue coats by 1815, but a reasonably sized fraction still had the older white uniforms, so you have a wide variety of casting choices you can use. I've got the Luisiana and Habana regiments in white coats and bicornes myself, and the Zaragoza regiment in blue coats and shakos. Rick |
| Corkonian | 27 Apr 2011 5:39 a.m. PST |
Would bell-topped shakoes have existed in the earlier, Hidalgo Revolt, period? I have a picture of a Spanish infantryman of the "Batallon de Lovera" in 1812, just arrived in Veracruz, clad in a blue coat faced red, and a bell-topped shako (looking rather French, in fact) accompanied by a Spanish caption suggesting that the "Napoleonic look" reached Mexico only with these troops. So would cocked hats and longer-tailed coats have been the norm up till then? I have also some pictures of Mexican troops in blue coats and round hats that seem to hail from this period. These are apparently local militia rather than metroplitan Spanish units. |
