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Personal logo DuckanCover Supporting Member of TMP26 Sep 2010 9:01 p.m. PST

Other than the Nagmashot, as done by Peter Pig, does anyone know if models are available, in 15mm, of any of the following Israeli APCs?

Achzarit, Nagmachon, Nakpadon, Namer, or Puma

Apologies for the spelling of the names, I'm fairly certain that's not the way some of them should be written, even in English.

Duck

Personal logo javelin98 Supporting Member of TMP27 Sep 2010 9:28 a.m. PST

Don't think I've seen those, specifically, but QRF/Freikorp makes Centurions and Merkavas in 15mm, so you could probably use those for the basic hull and scratchbuild the additional accessories or variations.

jony66327 Sep 2010 12:03 p.m. PST

I have thought of doing the Achzarit as no one makes it but it looks like an expensive scratchbuild.

Jon
lebanon1982.blogspot.com

Personal logo DuckanCover Supporting Member of TMP27 Sep 2010 2:43 p.m. PST

I was seriously afraid of this. I suspect I'm not the only one who thinks his modeling skills are not up to the task despite/because of the size of the model. I've seen conversions based on commercial parts kits that create a model that looks fantastic but, only in 1/35 scale.

Another one for the "300 Club" wish list? grin

Duck

herpaderpaderp Inactive Member27 Sep 2010 4:21 p.m. PST

I doubt it would get there

Personal logo javelin98 Supporting Member of TMP29 Sep 2010 3:22 p.m. PST

There are 15mm T-55s out there that could form the core of your Achzarit, but it would require extensive conversion using plasticard. Might not be worth the effort, honestly.

Lion in the Stars29 Sep 2010 3:52 p.m. PST

Based on the couple pictures I've seen, I don't think it would be that hard to get close enough for the wargaming table, at least for the Achzarit. Fill the turret hole with greenstuff and fake the details on the back.

The Namer I think I could knock out with a little greenstuff and plasticard on a Merk chassis, but I need some overhead photos or drawings for the hatches.

The Centurion chassis vehicles (Puma AEV/APC, and Nagmashot/Nagmachon/Nakpadon) are tougher, and would really need someone to make them in kit form. I'm in for at least a pair of Pumas and 4-8 of the others. I have this horrible feeling that they'd be really hard on the molds, though.

Personal logo DuckanCover Supporting Member of TMP30 Sep 2010 4:17 a.m. PST

I seem to be seeing a repetition of the same series of photos of a few production Namer over and over again. Given that there do not appear to be detailed "walk arounds" of any of them bar the Achzarit, I think a complete model of any others bar PPs Nagmashot is a long way off…..

The only two books available on (relatively) modern Israeli APCs are both written by the same author. At the time they were published, the Namer was only a whispered project under development.

A large format five view drawing of any of them sure would help.

Duck

GeoffQRF Inactive Member30 Sep 2010 5:13 a.m. PST

…I'm just watching the level of interest for when we re-visit the arab-israeli ranges…

Lion in the Stars30 Sep 2010 10:25 a.m. PST

Since the Israelis are at least discussing sharing the conversion plans, kits, or just exporting the finished product with other people (and the Russians are building a comparable T55 HAPC), it's probably going to get easier to find photos and/or sales literature for the Centurion-chassis HAPCs.

Besides, they did have some notable combat deployment in the last 6 years, so there's a good chance to find unclassified internal photos of them in use if you ask nicely.

jony66330 Sep 2010 12:15 p.m. PST

And Geoff…When will that happen?

Jon
lebanon1982.blogspot.com

Personal logo DuckanCover Supporting Member of TMP01 Oct 2010 1:26 a.m. PST

The Namer might be relatively easy to model, but the Nagmachon would be absolutely infernal. Great to see a model of it, but infernal to master………

Duck

GeoffQRF Inactive Member01 Oct 2010 4:53 a.m. PST

but the Nagmachon would be absolutely infernal

Slightly trickier for the main master, but no reason why it would be harder than other things we have done. Time is the main problem: hlj.com/product/LEGLF1162

And Geoff…When will that happen?

Ah, time is the main problem :-)

Personal logo DuckanCover Supporting Member of TMP01 Oct 2010 5:19 a.m. PST

"hlj.com/product/LEGLF1162"

Yeah, I spent some time about two hours ago scrutinizing those. Now, if we could just get them to do the conversion kit for 15mm Centurions………

Duck

GeoffQRF Inactive Member01 Oct 2010 6:32 a.m. PST

if I can find the time, I'll make a single conversion kit, convert one of ours and cast it… but not just yet. Got the M1A1 TUSK and Leopard 2A5, 2A6 and PSO to do first…

jony66303 Oct 2010 8:54 a.m. PST

Slightly trickier for the main master, but no reason why it would be harder than other things we have done. Time is the main problem: hlj.com/product/LEGLF1162

I can see this one being a little messy.

I look forward to any additions you make to your line.

Jon
lebanon1982.blogspot.com

Owen68 Inactive Member20 Oct 2010 2:19 p.m. PST

The 1967/73 period seems better catered for I see, but when the later IDF APC/IFVs come on-line that will be great.

BTW What is the most appropriate paint job for IDF miniatures, using Vallejo paints?
Owen68

Lion in the Stars20 Oct 2010 3:31 p.m. PST

Hrm… that Nagmachon doghouse would probably be easiest as a replacement 'turret' on a Centurion. Not too tough (depending on how you mold the parts).

I'd expect it to be a multi-piece tower, honestly, just to save the molds a little. One upper section, one lower section with all that ERA.

@Owen68: I'll have to dig out my Osprey on the Merk. Get back to you in a bit.

jony66321 Oct 2010 8:03 a.m. PST

Owen – For which period?

Jon
lebanon1982.blogspot.com

Owen68 Inactive Member25 Oct 2010 1:47 p.m. PST

I was after the most appropriate Vallejo colours for the infantry and armour for the 1967 – 1973 wars. I'm keen to put together a company of mixed Centurions and Paratroopers for 1973.

Also, is this realistic for the Sinai?

jony66325 Oct 2010 2:56 p.m. PST

I used the following page and converted the Tamiyas to Vallejo.

link

Vallejo Color Chart as a pdf
link

This will work for 73 and 82. I am not so sure on 67. I use these colors for the Sinai.

Jon
lebanon1982.blogspot.com

Personal logo DuckanCover Supporting Member of TMP06 Aug 2011 7:17 p.m. PST

Apologies for the bump everyone, but still curious if any of the Israeli HAPCs referred to here have surfaced in 15mm. A brief search says no, but if anyone knows different……

Duck

Personal logo DuckanCover Supporting Member of TMP11 Apr 2018 8:23 p.m. PST

Apologies for the serious necro everyone, but still curious if any of the Israeli HAPCs referred to here have surfaced in 15mm. The usual cursory search says no, but if anyone knows different……

Duck

Beaumap23 Apr 2018 5:35 a.m. PST

I would be interested in finding out too!

tsofian Sponsoring Member of TMP06 Jun 2018 5:31 p.m. PST

Inquiring Minds want to know!

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