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Quadratus Inactive Member13 Sep 2010 11:58 a.m. PST

OKay.

I thought their nickname was the Black Devils? because they wore black uniforms. . .

The "new" Bolt Action models are painted up in blue uniform
picture

Pegasus' box art shows them as a grayish color

link

is there a verdict or is it something open to debate?

Any help is helpful :)

Matt

aecurtis Fezian Inactive Member13 Sep 2010 12:05 p.m. PST

rkka.ru/uniform/files/i_vmf.htm

Black *and* blue uniforms items.

Allen

Only Warlock13 Sep 2010 3:15 p.m. PST

Navel Infantry?!? Why Orange, of course!!!

<applause here>


Thank you , thank you, I'm here all week.

aercdr Inactive Member13 Sep 2010 6:56 p.m. PST

Navy Blue, appropriately enough.

TKindred Supporting Member of TMP13 Sep 2010 9:57 p.m. PST

Actually, the majority were black, and NOT Navy Blue. I believe that it had a great deal to do with the expense of indigo for blue dyes, and the difficulties of obtaining sufficient production of blue-dyed cloth to equip the Naval forces. Black was then, as it is now, a MUCH easier dye to manufacture, without the difficulties of maintaining some semblance of uniformity of hue between dye lots.

V/R

Quadratus Inactive Member14 Sep 2010 1:21 a.m. PST

TKindred,

I am eight figures in already!
and now you tell me?!?

:)


I have a tough time making black uniforms look good anyways.

aecurtis Fezian Inactive Member14 Sep 2010 5:52 a.m. PST

Why do you think I wrote "black *and" blue" and posted the RKKA link?

Allen

TKindred Supporting Member of TMP14 Sep 2010 8:07 a.m. PST

Yeah, go with blue then. These guys got lucky in their uniform requisitions… * wink*

SDallimore Inactive Member14 Sep 2010 12:52 p.m. PST

They weren't called the "Black death" for nothing!? Black uniforms…no matter what Warlord may have used. The other company…no idea where they got that scheme from. They did sometimes use bits of army gear (khaki, tan, greenish) and one unit was actually recruited from an army regiment (254. Brigada Morskoi Pekhoty was unique in being formed from an army unit, the 135th Rifle Regiment! They spent the war protecting Murmansk).

aecurtis Fezian Inactive Member14 Sep 2010 1:23 p.m. PST

Well, here's a fellow who got them right:

picture

…from:

link

If you do the telnyashka (striped undershirt), it should be *blue* and white stripes. If the figures have middy blouses (with the long sailor's collar), those should be *blue* with three rows of white piping around the collar. (That's cirrect on *some* of the BAM?Warlord miniatures.) Trousers: black. Peacoats and greatcoats: black. Cap: black. If youhave petty officers or officers in undress coats: *blue*!!!

The summer uniform had white middy blouses and trousers. The naval work uniform (a greyish off-white cotton duck) was worn sometimes, especially towards the war's end. It was often worn over the blue middy blouse with the blue collar exposed. That's what the Pegasus figures are showing.

Sorry to have to repeat myself, but you're getting erroneous advice. See again the RKKA site, and for more detail:

link

Allen

Quadratus Inactive Member14 Sep 2010 6:27 p.m. PST

AW nuts!

I've gone and painted the pants and cap blue.

Allen, when you said Black & Blue I interpreted that both color uniforms were in use and that either one was correct. I did not realize what you meant. . .

Now that I look at the RKKA site again I do see that the pants are a different shade than the shirts. but the hats looks blue to me on the site.

Covering the pants in black won't be difficult, giving them a good highlight is where I have my problems (they end up looking too gray. . .)

Jemima Fawr Inactive Member20 Sep 2010 1:53 p.m. PST

As a Briton, I'm somewhat disturbed by the concept of investigating the colour of a Russian sailor's pants…

"Hello Sailor, can I see your pants?" :)

Personal logo Mserafin Supporting Member of TMP20 Sep 2010 2:18 p.m. PST

Black hat, black jacket, black pants (sometimes white, but I can't determine how that was decided). Blue jumper, which isn't visible when they're wearing the jacket, with the lighter blue panel on the back*. White jumper with either light blue or black horizontal stripes.

* What *is* that thing called, anyway?

TKindred Supporting Member of TMP20 Sep 2010 2:46 p.m. PST

It's called a "sailor collar". Tradition holds that the originals were of blue denim or very dark coarse wool, and were used to keep the oily/tarred stain from sailors pigtails from soiling the back of the frock. That is somewhat supported by early examples that have buttons for ease of replacement and/or washing separate from the jumper (or frock, as it was known then).

As a bit of trivia, most of the piping on the collars and cuffs was not standardized until the latter part of the 19th century. The US Navy's 3-lines of each was first made uniform in the 1866 uniform changes. Prior to that, all piping and decorative stitching and embroidery was at the whim of the individual sailor, and universally encouraged in order to keep sailors busy during long voyages with lots of idle time.

Twisted Terrain Inactive Member23 Mar 2017 1:19 a.m. PST

Obviously it's been a while since this thread was created, so hopefully folks are still around?I have a question I need some help with. I can see from the rrka pics one of the satchels is khaki, the other is along with other webbing pouches Luftwaffe blue (VMC) with some green in there? Any help appreciated.
Si.

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