"Republican Romans: 28mm Aventine, 1st Corps " Topic

I am looking to put together a RR army.

Aventine and 1st Corps look like some nice figures.

Anyone know how well they fit together? (regards to size)

Not well. They are similarly chunky but the Aventine figures are considerably taller.

Aventine are bigger then 1st Corp. IMHO I like Aventine figures!!! Mike Adams

I totally agree with Legion 1950.

Maybe I should do a comparison shot or two? They're not as far off as you may think.

Allen

If you aren't set on Aventine and 1st Corp you may want to look at the Crusader line.

I have a variety of figures from both lines. Love both but they are not compatible in the same unit. Aventine is considerably bigger. I use Crusader for my Romans and Aventine for the Italian allies.

Not sure what you're looking at Allen.

My figures.

It always comes down to personal preference in the end but the question was very specific in its remit. Personally I find size less important than style of the figures and neither of them as important as consistant basing and shield decoration when mixing manufacturers in an army. My own Republican Roman Legions are a mixture of Foundry, 1st Corps, Navigator, Gripping Beast, Essex and Irregular (and that's before we get on to the less "Romanised" allies!)

Renegade Romans are a fair match for Aventitnes, sizewise. Personally I wouldn't mix 1st Corps but it is a matter of preference; all my units have figures exactly the same height, and, for this reason, probably look nothing like a real ancient formation. 1st Corps make some nice minis.

Chers, Simon

Are you sure Allen that you're looking at Aventine and 1st Corps? May be you've confused them with other lines! :) Because you're the only one on this thread who thinks they might be compatible.

Nope. I'm not confused, and I'm not crazy. Yet.

I can't take the time to take photos today, but setting a 1st Corps princeps in mail next to his Aventine counterpart, there's about half a head difference in height. And there's a corresponding difference in size of hands, feet (but not so much so) and head/helmet.

Since we're not talking about mass-produced items like an M36 Stahlhelm, I don't get bothered by slight differences in helmet size, as the actual ones were individually made, at this time.

Now Aventine has some even taller figures (leaders, elephant crew), but in general, we're not talking about anything other than the normal difference between humans of different sizes:

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The size difference seems even less noticeable to me with the unarmored velites. I think using the new Aventine cavalry with 1st Corps might be a problem, because the 1st Corps horses would actually be taller (though not as pudgy as the Aventine ponies)!

More importantly, I find the styles of both ranges to have similar "bold" detail. Perhaps one would not want to match figures within a unit, but I think units from each do not look bad together on the tabletop.

I used to be *very* picky about compatibility. I'm losing that over time.

Allen

Allen; great paint job on those guys, what are they 40mm?

BigRedBat; I must disagree with you on this one, Renegade Republican Romans tower over the Aventine Romans. The Renegade Romans are closer to 30mm than 28mm or am I wrong here?

Hi Oldbob, I did some size comparison shots on the bigredbatcave; as i recall, Aventine were very slightly taller than Renegade. Have a look- I don't have the link here on my hols. My Aventines are my largest minis. I used Renegade veles with Aventine hastati (bought before the Aventine veles came out).

Cheers, Simon

Simon; it's so much fun rummaging through your site, always loaded with info.

Scroll down the right side until you come to size comparison, last picture has renegade, aventine and foundry.

bigredbat.blogspot.com

Oldbob, I've not got the bandwidth here to see it, but IIRC they are pretty sympatico. The Renegades would be taller, if they weren't slightly crouched. This reminds me that I have a few part-painted Renegade units to finish….

Cheers, Simon

Simon; I'm stealing this thread, I looking for 28mm Spanish to go with the Aventine Republican Romans. A&A and Crusader are both sculpted by Mr.Sims, with the Crusader being more of a complete range. Their is also Gripping Beast and the Foundry. I'm leaning toward the Crusader range, just not sure of the size compatibility?

I use Crusader Spanish (especially command figures) with the A&A Spanish, although Crusader's are a bit more slender. If you're picky, the A&A range may look better with Aventine than the Crusader. Simon doesn't like the Crusaders!

Foundry's few Copplestone Spanish will work well. Gripping Beast's are smaller; they're a closer match to 1st Corps. But as above, swap a few shields around, and units of all don't look too badly on the table together.

Allen

"Scroll down the right side until you come to size comparison, last picture has renegade, aventine and foundry."

Or go directly here:

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…where, at the time, Simon wrote:

"The largest figure of the four is the Renegade… on the left; it would probably be even taller, if it was standing fully erect."

"I'd judge that sizewise Aventine, Crusader and Foundry would match each other well, however the Renegade miniature is in a class of its own, being both taller and different in style (the limbs are very awkwardly posed)."

Allen

Hoist by me own petard! :-) Simon

Bob, I am using Crusader Spainish. They fit my needs right now, but I wish that I got more Companion Spainish cav!!! Mike Adams P.S. Hi Simon

Bob,

I have Crusader, Renegade, Foundry (mounted), and even Old Glory Spanish. The Crusader infantry match up reasonably well with my Aventine velites, but not as well with the heavier infantry….even holding constant the allowance for armour. For example, I feel more comfortable using the Crusader Spanish with Aventine than the Crusader Carthaginians. The Renegade Spanish are smaller than Renegade Romans and very close to Crusader (in fact, the Renegade Romans scare many away from the line but the Libyans, Spanish, and Celts match up well with the other larger 28mm lines such as Aventine). Old Glory actually match up well with Aventine but come in only a few poses and are a bit crude in style compared to the others. The Foundry seem to be the best match with my Aventines, but as was mentioned, a less than complete line. Perhaps Aventine or Relic will get around to making more compatible options at some point. Hope my rambling makes some sense and is helpful.

Keith

Allen,Simon,Mike and Keith; thank you all for your inputs,Aventine Miniatures are going to make Spanish, but not for a while yet! So it looks like Crusader Spanish for now! Thanks guys this was fun.

The Crusader infantry are Ok, but I much prefer the Foundry cavalry. Companion is much missed! Hi Mike

Simon

Very intersting. So I have seen the Aventine with Crusdar, Foundry.

So how does 1st Corp compare to Crusader and Foundry, anyone have photos?