"Is There Something Wrong When...." Topic

someone, who is obviously well meaning, but who keeps posting pictures from established web sites where the same pictures are presented by, presumeably the owner of the pictures, in an overall context? Without posting the site that has the context of the pictures?

I know some might think I'm being hyper-critical, but for those who have blogs or web sites, would you not feel both complimented, but at the same time, disappointed if someone did something like this:

"Let me show you some pictures of ironclads by Tim:

picture

picture "

When in fact those pictures come from something the author put together, like this: link

No, the person I'm talking about hasn't taken pics from my site and actually I and maybe the sites he's taking this stuff from might be flattered if he did. But at the same time, it just seems wrong to me to only post some pictures without the context of the site they are from.

I wonder how others feel about this?

I have to admit, a lot of times, I'd never have seen some of the (often very good, if not great) sites he highlights without this fellow posting the pictures, but I feel there's something missing when he posts only pictures without the context of the site.

I'm certainly open to disagreement, but if you can't comment without attacking me, then please don't bother.
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Tim

You have a good point.

To play Devil's Advocate, I can get annoyed when someone posts a link to a Blog saying something like "Look at these great WotR figs!", then when you click on it it is ACW or something else. Because the Blog has moved on.

A link directly to the picture(s) is more stable. Though, as you say, without context.

John

And you _are_ talking about what Tango01 is doing.

My major gripe about that is I can't work out why? They ain't his figs, and most are not anything to do with gaming. But it isn't trolling!?!?

John

I would have to say it depends on the context of the posting. If you are referring to a posting such as Tangos, I look at it as his enthusiasm for what he has seen and wishes to share. You can easily go to the main page of the original site by editing the address in the bar if you wish to investigate further. I have done this a couple times from his posts.

If someone asks a specific question (using your pictures as an example) does anyone rig their 1/2400 ships. Then a direct link to a picture is fine. However if someone asks does anyone do any riverboat gaming, then link to a site.

As platypus mentioned, blogs can be a bit aggravating when the link goes to the main page and you end up surfing for the content you were supposed to see from the start.

It's worse when some one posts a link ostensibly to pictures of figures and you get Zardozed instead.

Doing it a little would be ok. Doing it as much as he does is annoying IMO. He also could make a post saying here are some links I found that have cool stuff. Then post several links to the various persons homepage as you suggest Tim. That would be ok and cut down on his repetitive posts. I have repeatedly posted to Armand here that this isn't the HAT forum so a lot of folks won't have any interest. Consolidate the posts for those of us who do.

Thanks,

John

To play Devil's Advocate, I can get annoyed when someone posts a link to a Blog saying something like "Look at these great WotR figs!", then when you click on it it is ACW or something else. Because the Blog has moved on.

A link directly to the picture(s) is more stable. Though, as you say, without context.

There's a reasonable middle ground: link to the article or webpage in question, not the blog, not the individual photos.

(Besides, many websites block you from accessing photos directly.)

You could always watermark the pics with the name of your site. Depending on how much control you have over your site, you could also redirect such links to hit your main page, or at least put a "more" link up.

- Bob

Our subject has also linked to a lot of copyrighted material as well and does not seem to see anything wrong with it.

As Allen pointed out, before his current questionable incarceration, he links to sites particularly Russian that are known for their open piracy.

Interestingly enough, he has stopped posting links to hat.com
He has also started saying his "friends" sent him the pictures. I wonder?
The shear quantity of threads he posts are just irritating (particularly when they are to foreign language sites) and annoying.
As far as I can see he's not actually breaking any TMP rules…

I agree with you Tim. Not crediting the source is more then a little like stealing their thunder.

If you put something on the internet, you can expect someone to "steal" it.

Sure, it isn't fair. Life's not fair.
-Kle.

Don't like his posts, then ignore them. If it really bugs you then stifle him.

Hell, it gives him something to talk about.

My youngest daughter still loves coming in and giving me a blow-by-blow account of what she just watched on TV. I regard Tango01'S posts as the same sort of thing.

She is 7 BTW.

Pat

Its a little odd but I'm inclined not to try and analyse it. He does not seem to have any bad intent, never insults anyone and some of the stuff has been interesting.

My Ming from Outpost have just arrived JOL -EE!

Pat wait till she is 24 and can recite your faults like a times table, oh the joy.

I have no problem with Tango01…I see a lot of blogs that I wouldn't otherwise…and from what I recall, it's always clear that they aren't his and that they come from someone else's blog/website.

I appreciate the comments.

As I said, I think the fellow in question is very well meaning and I have enjoyed many of his posts because he has brought to my attention sites I would normally not have come across, so his efforts are appreciated.

It's not a matter of ignoring the posts or anything like that, it's the presentation in the context in which they were put on the internet in the first place. Again, see the example I give in my first post.

It's not a matter of him claiming the pics to be his own – as mjK says, above, he is always commendably punctilious in acknowledging to whom the work belongs.

But I think he should be encouraged to include the web site from which he gets the various pictures, though. It's not about "stealing" pictures – Sane Max's analogy is probably correct of someone – older than 7 of course – delighting in images he's found related to his hobby and sharing them with us.
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Tim

My 1/2 wit thoughts on the topic

I can detect no malicious intent or any deliberate effort to deceive. It also may be the fact English is not the presenters first language that makes his presentation seem ackward.

I think what Tim is alluding to is, the way the poster presents his post, it sounds like he is somehow involved and knows much about the game or scenario he is sharing with the board rather than just submiting the pictures as found or sent to him.

Well… I'm guessing he's not a native English speaker – perhaps the unusual presentation has something to do with that?

His English is way better than any of the broken versions of other languages I can stumble through.
-Kle.

Not quite Dashetal, that doesn't really bother me. My issue is the presentation of pictures outside of the context of the site. I think if he wants to present some pictures he likes, that's great and even better when I haven't seem them before. But if he doesn't want to just say "hey, there are some great pictures on this site: whatever he should probably indicate the site the pictures came from…
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Tim

I fail to see why this would bother anyone, if somebody post a link to a site, it is "your" choise to follow it or not to do so; If the site is good or interesting then it is a "win-win" situation, the poster has been helpfull and maybe start a little conversation and you get to know a site or blog or picture, etc.. you might have missed.
Also, if the poster speaks a different language, he might stumble upon links, sites, blogs, etc… that would be lost to an English speaking memeber.
I would also guess the poster is trying to start a converations over the internet on various subjects, and that he likes to search the web and share his findings with "like-minded" people (TMP Members?).
So, for me, no harm is done nor any "copyrights" broken when somebody recommends a site he personally finds interesting. (Even if it is in French, Spanish, German or Russia).

Whatever. This is the face of the new TMP. It's what Bill wants. It's what many of you want.

Posting links to copyright violators' sites is not cool. But if that's what you want, more power to you.

Allen

Why are foreign language sites irritating?

Sure, "Armand" may not be able to communicate well in English. And his knowledge of other languages may be limited: it seems he's not able to sort out much of the context of sites in a variety of languages, where for some of the rest of us, it's not an issue.

That doesn't excuse anyone else from being ill-educated and provincial. I don't know how anyone gets along in an international hobby, much less traveling, without more than one's native language.

Allen

Those of you who are concerned that he is linking to *your* stuff might want to take advantage of the free advertising and make sure any images linked to directly redirect to your front page, banner advertising or whatever does *you* the most good. At least put your site URL in images as a watermark if you're really concerned.

- Bob

Making a copy of those pictures is probably a copyright violation. (IANAL) It would have been better to post a link to the source rather than make a copy for many reasons including:
* Linking is politer
* Linking makes it clearer that you are not the owner of the image
* Linking is not a copyright violation
* Copies cause problems for search engines, which in turn can punish sites that feature copies if the engines can figure out which is the copy and which is the original

Good resource:
plagiarismtoday.com

Specifically:
link