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17 Feb 2011 6:18 p.m. PST
by Editor in Chief Bill

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Personal logo Editor in Chief Bill The Editor of TMP Fezian23 Jun 2010 9:12 p.m. PST


Personal logo Pictors Studio Sponsoring Member of TMP23 Jun 2010 9:32 p.m. PST

He caused the deaths of hundreds of thousands of people in his attempt to force his will on Europe.

DeanMoto23 Jun 2010 9:33 p.m. PST

No one knew what his hand was doing in his greatcoat

Flat Beer and Cold Pizza23 Jun 2010 9:46 p.m. PST

He smelled bad, was short, and anti-British. That's enough for me. Pretty uniforms though.

Moke68723 Jun 2010 9:54 p.m. PST

he worked for france

SSgt Carl23 Jun 2010 10:00 p.m. PST

I think I took the other thread too seriously…


-He pretended to be Muslim (blasphemy)
-Slaughtered entire french cities that had already surrendered to ensure he appeared strong
-He stole Hanover and gave it away
-He fooled around on his wives
-If I'm not mistaken he started several wars

ochoin deach23 Jun 2010 10:52 p.m. PST

I'm sorry, Bill. This is a ridiculous premise.

11th ACR23 Jun 2010 11:10 p.m. PST

He was fighting against all of the other European Powers from forming the European Union 200 years early and having to file for bankruptcy!

Sorry is that to political?

GarrisonMiniatures23 Jun 2010 11:29 p.m. PST

He lost.

The winners write the history books.

Graf Bretlach24 Jun 2010 2:02 a.m. PST

I think he may have kicked a dog once, apart from that he was a good egg.

Col Blancard24 Jun 2010 2:24 a.m. PST

"-If I'm not mistaken he started several wars"

well you are completely mistaken… he might have had very disturbing policies for European powers (continental blockade being one of them, making Kings as in Spain, and many others, mainly economical), but technically he only started the Russian war. Even then, that is slightly arguable as Russia had joined a coalition with England and Napoleon decided to strike first.

one can only be happy that Imperialist France didn't rule Europe any longer. Having said that, European powers made Napoleon's military fame by initiating war against France again and again and again, from the Revolutionary days till the 100 days.

Col Blancard24 Jun 2010 2:28 a.m. PST

A villain for:
- placing his relatives at the head of new states.
- imposing a ruler to Spain that lead to the Guerilla.
- economically transform neighbour countries into satellites.
- forcing everyone into continental blockade (though that was his only weapon to weaken Britain, Britain that would not make peace in any circumstance).

streeters24 Jun 2010 3:30 a.m. PST

Conscription of children into the army.

platypus01au24 Jun 2010 4:09 a.m. PST

He was an ogre and ate children.

Didn't he?

Personal logo enfant perdus Supporting Member of TMP24 Jun 2010 4:13 a.m. PST

He not only reestablished slavery within the French Empire, but reenslaved those blacks who had been freed by the Revolution.

Martin Rapier24 Jun 2010 5:16 a.m. PST

He was an ogre from Corsica.

JeffsaysHi24 Jun 2010 5:29 a.m. PST

There is nothing more galling for the Brits than having a marvellous heroic defeat ruined by the Germans turning up (late! no trains then clearly) & winning the battle for them.

Its all HIS fault.

138SquadronRAF Supporting Member of TMP24 Jun 2010 5:48 a.m. PST

Well there are the revolutionary points:

Betrayed the Revolution by becoming a dictator, some would say "Emperor".
Betrayed the Revolution by the Concordat of 1801 with the Pope.
Restored the Gregorian Calander; today is 6 Messidor CXVIII after all.

There are the international angle:

Was incapable of international compromise, see Charles Esdaile "Napoleon's Wars: An International History 1803-15"
Did not respect interantional law, for example the kidnap and murder of the duc d'Enghein.

Who asked this joker24 Jun 2010 6:37 a.m. PST

He is labeled evil because the British won the war and labeled him as such! grin

Shagnasty Supporting Member of TMP24 Jun 2010 6:49 a.m. PST

If he was anti-British, he must have been evil!

Personal logo Der Alte Fritz Sponsoring Member of TMP24 Jun 2010 6:56 a.m. PST

troll Bill, you are being a trouble maker. evil grin

richarDISNEY24 Jun 2010 7:30 a.m. PST

Wasn't he the one responsible for the Deepwater Horizon spill? laugh

Captain Apathy24 Jun 2010 7:58 a.m. PST

He had a really stupid hat.

John the OFM24 Jun 2010 7:58 a.m. PST

He was short.

Frederick Supporting Member of TMP24 Jun 2010 8:07 a.m. PST

John, John, John – he wasn't short – he just made the mistake of getting painted beside Old Guard Grenadiers all the time!

He really, really screwed up a golden opportunity to make France into a modern nation state by being at war all the time – he needed to use those skills he had early on and stop treating every problem like a nail

Also, he introduced the Bardin drummers jackets – I find them hard to paint

ComradeCommissar24 Jun 2010 8:23 a.m. PST

The stupid "hand in coat" trend. picture

What was he reaching for?

Old Slow Trot24 Jun 2010 8:45 a.m. PST

His tambourine? (reference to animated depiction of N.B.on "Histeria!")

Dave Crowell24 Jun 2010 9:05 a.m. PST

He lost! (if you are French)

He won a lot of battles! (if you are not French)

Mulopwepaul24 Jun 2010 9:09 a.m. PST

"Well there are the revolutionary points:"

Thank you for noting these! So many people will forgive any enormity, or just look the other way, so long as the bully mouths what they believe is the correct ideology.

Scorpio24 Jun 2010 9:22 a.m. PST

I really don't think we can make a value judgment for historical figures in cases like this.

Also, he apparently inspires lame polls.

John the OFM24 Jun 2010 9:51 a.m. PST

He makes ordinarily normal people work themselves into irrational frenzies on Naploeniic History and Napoleonic Discussion.

Nay, not just frenzies. Tizzies too!

Coelacanth193824 Jun 2010 10:01 a.m. PST

His army chefs invented margarine!!!

Dave Crowell24 Jun 2010 11:56 a.m. PST

What the OFM didn't say. Obviously the fact that the OFM is a relic of Napoleonic times himself has clouded his judgement in these matters.

11th ACR24 Jun 2010 12:03 p.m. PST

Sorry my mistake!

"He was fighting against all of the other European Powers from forming the European Union 200 years early and having to file for bankruptcy!"

I woke up this AM and it hit me, I had it halfassedbackwards.

Napoleon "Continental System" was like the "European Union" just 200 years early.

Sorry all, see what a decent night sleep will do for you.

Robert Henry

Natholeon24 Jun 2010 12:51 p.m. PST

He dressed his troops in a variety of uniforms with the deliberate intention that 200 years later anally retentive people would point at wargames figures and say 'I don't believe that that is the correct shade of green for those dragoons…'.
Somewhere in the Invalides is the sound of (evil) ghostly laughter…

Old Bear24 Jun 2010 2:06 p.m. PST

A selection of 'historians' – who cannot bear to use his imperial title, apparently because self-improvement is a mortal sin to them – need him to be to justify btheir relentlessly pintless meanderings and hand wringing.

Feet up now24 Jun 2010 2:34 p.m. PST

He is Des-pot

21eRegt24 Jun 2010 3:45 p.m. PST

I think these two threads are just a clever ploy by Bill to populate the doghouse with more people, knowing that such a premise will bring out the worst in people. Nasty, wicked editor! <grin>

138SquadronRAF Supporting Member of TMP24 Jun 2010 3:48 p.m. PST

Better a Des-pot than a Tea-pot

Sparker24 Jun 2010 5:44 p.m. PST

Because he said "What are the lives of a million men to one such as I"

On the other hand he did allow the British Army to win one of its most prestigious battle honours which still resonates today…

That this prestige has remained is proven by the fact that it is clearly STILL getting the goat of numerous people who have to invent a dialogue where the Brits tried not to share the credit with the Germans…(I refer to JeffSaysHi comment above…)

Jeff – do yourself a favour and:

1. Google the Waterloo despatch
2. Read it

Kind Regards,


Flat Beer and Cold Pizza24 Jun 2010 6:40 p.m. PST

Because he said "What are the lives of a million men to one such as I"

Wasn't half stuck on himself was he?

Sparker24 Jun 2010 8:00 p.m. PST

Yes I think we can agree he had a healthy ego! His bladder however…

Field Marshal24 Jun 2010 8:53 p.m. PST

because he gave his name to a period i enjoy gaming and have spent far too much cash on… he probably took a dive once in soccer!!!

Personal logo Dances With Words Supporting Member of TMP Fezian25 Jun 2010 4:24 a.m. PST

he invented 'briccole with cheese' in an attempt to pander to farmers pushing certain vegetables NOT popular with kids, while 'beefing' up relations with dairy industry for cheese and ice-cream confectionaries at the same time…(which sorta undoes the positive 'veggie' angle)….

Klebert L Hall25 Jun 2010 4:27 a.m. PST

People don't like him.

138SquadronRAF Supporting Member of TMP25 Jun 2010 5:32 a.m. PST

He spoke French with an Italian accent? Maybe in the movie 'Waterloo' Rod Steiger should have played him sounding like he came Hoboken. New Jersey…..

Deucey25 Jun 2010 7:23 a.m. PST

He was a megalomaniac who hijacked the revolution.

Vendome25 Jun 2010 7:52 a.m. PST

… people need to have a nice simplistic view of history with clearcut good guys and bad guys, which lends itself to highly entertaining opinion-based "history" that glosses over the confusing facts and complexities. N is a villain because some people need him to be one.

Old Bear25 Jun 2010 10:22 a.m. PST

… people need to have a nice simplistic view of history with clearcut good guys and bad guys, which lends itself to highly entertaining opinion-based "history" that glosses over the confusing facts and complexities. N is a villain because some people need him to be one.

Hmmm…sounds familiar…

Steven H Smith25 Jun 2010 10:51 a.m. PST

He was a megalomaniac who hijacked this forum.

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