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LORDGHEE22 Jun 2010 10:40 a.m. PST

Sirs,
By chance dose any one have handy what kind of artillery Stuart had with him, we have a list that shows basicly 3 inch rifled guns and 4 parrots 10 lbers, is this correct

thanks
Lord Ghee

avidgamer22 Jun 2010 10:53 a.m. PST

Different batteries had different guns. Get a hold of: The Artillery of Gettysburg by Bradley M. Gottfried or The Gettysburg Companion: A Guide to the Most Famous Battle of the Civil War by Mark Adkin and one/or of a host of other books that list exactly what they had. There are dozens of books that list what they were armed with.

Cleburne186322 Jun 2010 10:58 a.m. PST

Here's a pretty good order of battle for Gettysburg that shows regimental strengths and the composition of most batteries. I've liked directly to the Confederate cavalry section.

link

The list is not all-inclusive, but there are some Napoleons listed with Stuart's horse artillery. Not knowing which batteries were at the battle east of Gettysburg off the top of my head, I can't say for certain if there were there.

vojvoda22 Jun 2010 11:28 a.m. PST

Here is what I have from the JRIII site off the scenario by Curt Daniels OOB cards: I used the above as well as Scott Migus' books and "The Maps of Gettysburg" by Bradley Gottfried.

HORSE ARTILLERY
MAJ. R.F. BECKHAM +1

BREATHED'S 1 VA ELITE 2 x 3" Rifles
MCGREGOR'S 2 VA VETERAN 2 x Mixed
CHARLOTESVILLE VETERAN 3 x 3" Rifles

I have my notes at home and will post more based on my research I did for the campaign later when I get home.

VR
James Mattes

LORDGHEE23 Jun 2010 2:10 a.m. PST

Thank you for your help Gents


Lord Ghee

Scott Mingus23 Jun 2010 3:24 a.m. PST

By the way, East Cavalry Field is one of the nicest preserved areas of Gettysburg and gets few visitors. Stop by the next time you are in Gettysburg. It's on State Route 116 about three miles east of the Culp farm in Gettysburg.

Tango01 Supporting Member of TMP23 Jun 2010 9:01 p.m. PST

Please, allow me to show some information.
Sorry because some words are in french.

Cavalry corps – Major-General Alfred A. Pleasonton

1st div. BG John Buford (4 239)
1st brig. 1600 col Gamble (8th Ill – 470; 12th Ill – 233; 3rd Ind – 313; 8th NY – 580)
2nd brig. 1148 col Devin (6th NY – 218; 9th NY – 367; 17th Pa – 464; 3rd Wva – 59)
Reserve brig. 1321 BG Merritt (6th Pa- 242; 1st US – 362; 2nd US – 407; 5th US – 306) (6th US absent)


2nd div. BG David McMurtrie Gregg (2639)
1st brig 1603 col McIntosh (1st Md – 285; 1st Mass – 292; Purnell Legion (Md) – 66; 1st NJ – 199; 1st Pa – 355; 3rd Pa – 335; 3rd Pa Hy art – 52 et 2 piθces)
2nd brig. 1436 col Huey (2nd NY – 264, 4th NY – 298, 6th Oh – 482, 8th Pa – 391)
3rd brig. 1263 col Gregg (1st Me – 315, 10th NY – 333, 4th Pa – 258, 16th Pa – 349)


3rd div. BG Judson Kilpatrick (4081)
1st brig 1925 BG Farnsworth (tuι ΰ Gettysburg) (5th NY – 420, 18th Pa – 509, 1st Vt – 600, 1st Wva – 395)
2nd brig (the Michigan brigade) 1934 BG Custer (1st – 427, 5th – 646, 6th – 477, 7th – 383)


1st horse artillery brigade, capt Robertson
9th Mich by (Daniels – 111 hommes et 6 piθces)
6th NY by (Martin – 103 et 6)
Bies B et L, 2nd US art (lnt Heaton – 99 et 6)
Bie M, 2nd US art (lnt Pennington – 117 et 6)
Bie E, 4th US art (lnt Elder – 61 et 4)

2nd horse artillery brigade, capt Tidball
Bies E et G, 1st US art (Randol – 85 et 4)
Bie K, 1st US art (Graham – 114 et 6)
Bie A, 2nd US art (lnt Calef – 75 et 6)
Bie C, 3rd US art (lnt Fuller – 142 et 6) (absente – ΰ Westminster avec la brigade de cavalerie Huey)

Toutes les piθces de l'artillerie ΰ cheval sont des 3-inch rifled.
Tous les chefs de bies sont des capitaines, sauf si spιcifiι.

Amicalement
Armand

vojvoda25 Jun 2010 9:05 a.m. PST

I can't find my notes from Brandy Station but here is what I have from my very limited resources here in Texas:

The engagement began with the battery from Jenkins Cavalry Brigade Jackson's Va Battery of two 12lb Howitzers, and possible one other (not further identified) section (I suspect two guns from Griffin's 2nd Baltimore Battery as they were in the order of march in the advance at the time) this battery was two sections of 10lb Parrotts, being deployed on Cress ridge in an attempt to flush out the union cavalry forces sometime after 1pm.

Jackson's battery was driven back and replaced by the section of Green's Battery, Artillery Bn from Early's division attached to General Hampton the day before.

" On the 2d, I ordered two guns of Captain Green's (Louisiana Guard Artillery) battery, at the request of General Stuart, to report to General Hampton at Hunterstown, where he engaged the enemy, with a loss of I man killed and 1 sergeant and 14 men wounded."

From the OR report of HP Jones Bn Commander of Early's Div. This battery consisted of 1 section of 3" Rifles, and one section of 10lb Parrotts. It is not stated which guns were sent.

And at least one section from McGregor's Va (2nd Stuart Artilleriy of one section of 3" rifles and one 12lb Napoleon (I suspect it was two 12lb Napoleons but can not provide the reference) also deployed at this time. My references give six guns in position at this time all attributed to Green and McGregor's Batteries.

Brethead's Va Battery (1st Stuart Horse Artillery, two sections, both of 3" rifles) deployed after that in support on Cress ridge giving the Confederates a total of 10 guns in support at the time of the major action on the field. Most confederate and union fire was engaged in Counter-battery fire during this stage of the fight.

Confused yet? As a best educated guess without further references here is the entire artillery order of battle given for Stuart at the time:

Stuarts Horse Artillery (15 guns)

Breathed's Va (1st Stuart Artillery 4- 3" rifles)
Chew's Ashby Va battery with Jones' Bbe (2- 3" rifles, 2- 12lb Napoleons, 1- 6lb Howitzer) NOT at Gettysburg.

Griffin's 2nd Baltimore Maryland Battery 4-10lb Parrotts

Hart's SC Washington Battery 2-3" Rifles, 2-12lb Napoleons (originally Blackely Rifles but can not confirm they were still in service at the time)

McGregor's Va Lynchburg Artillery of Beaurgard Rifles (2nd Stuart Artillery 2-3" Rifles, 1-12 lb Napoleons

Moorman's Va Battery (4 guns not at Gettysburg) of 1-3 3" Rifles

Attached to Hampton's Bde
Green's Louisiana Guards Battery (one section attached) (2-3" rifles, or 2-10lb Parrotts) unidentified as to which section at this time.

Assigned to Jenkin's Bde
Cpt Thomas E. Jacksons Va Battery of one section of 2-12lb Howitzers


And here are the units engaged on East Battlefield during the brief engagement:

Assigned to Jenkin's Bde
Cpt Thomas E. Jacksons Va Battery of one section of 2-12lb Howitzers

Attached to Hampton's Bde
Green's Louisiana Guards Battery (one section attached) (2-3" rifles, or 2-10lb Parrotts) unidentified as to which section at this time

McGregor's Va Lynchburg Artillery of Beaurgard Rifles (2nd Stuart Artillery 2-3" Rifles, 1-12 lb Napoleon)

Breathed's Va (1st Stuart Artillery 4- 3" rifles)

Although I can not point to it I believe this battery might have been available towards the end of the engagement but was not deployed:

Griffin's 2nd Baltimore Maryland Battery 4-10lb Parrotts

So in total what I have is 10-11 guns broken down as follows:

one section of 2-12lb Howitzers
one section of 2-3" rifles, OR 2-10lb Parrotts
one battery of 2-3" Rifles, 1-12 lb Napoleons
one battery of two section of 2-3" Rifles
And in reserve but not engaged:
One battery of two section of 2-10lb Parrotts each (Griffin's)

VR
James Mattes

LORDGHEE25 Jun 2010 5:55 p.m. PST

Thank you for your information Mr Mattes.

MR Armand you never have anything to be sorry for I always enjoy your views and appreachate your contributions.


Now from cree ridge to the ducth road and Hanover road crossing can you see the ridge and did the Confederate scouts see the Union artillery set up on the road areaa looking north.

For if you see 8 guns set up then you say to yourself ohoh there is a division lurking about,

Lord Ghee

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