"What WON'T you do in Wargaming?" Topic

Thinking about the Wargaming Heresies thread, I've decided to ask this…

What WON'T you do in wargaming, and why?

And I will start off…

In WWII mini-gaming, I WILL NOT play SS. I'll play Wehrmacht, but not SS. I never liked the b*st*rds and I take exceptional glee in killing them.

I'll play them as counters in AH Squad Leader, but that's as far as I'll go…So if you give me a FOW command of SS, I simply won't play, or I'll join the other side, just to fight against them….

Oh..and I won't play "Ultra Realistic Space Battle Games based on Physics and Mathematics that requires a calculator to figure out if you can move and turn in one hex, and that you need a base working knowledge of intergers to calculate fuel ratios"….

Okay who is next?

I have played Confederates, so I am afraid that there are no depths to which I will not sink.

I have also played such celebrations of boredom as Harpoon and its ilk, where you get to move 17/32" per turn, and then spend 15 minutes resolving a "critical hit", the result of which is blowing up the paint locker.
Thank God for beer.

I won't cheat. That should go without saying, but experience tells me it's not a universal attitude.

Put an unpainted miniature on the table.
Let anyone else put an unpainted miniature on the table.

Fantasy games….I just prefer something based in reality.

I've played Italians in WW-II and SCW campaigns. But like Murphy, I draw the line at SS (even Wafen-SS).

I have "issues" with playing American Indian vs US, and some of those issues might keep me from playiing FIW skirmishes.

For many of the same reasons I will not play GW's Chaos types.

Win, usually…. Truth be told I have few reservations about playing bad guys, especially as under my generalship they're gonna get massacred….

I don't like playing my dad's unit (airborne)-
too afraid my crappy generalship will get him killed off, I guess.

I am with Don about SS – but wouldn't do anything that involves atrocities.

I'll play anything but if I play SS I might just throw the game hehe.

No I'm serious I don't care who I play it's a game for GD sakes. I prefer Union and Allies but I will play Huns and Greeks and Vikings and Chineese. I've even played VC.

I don't bring politics to the table it's history! Didn't we hope that U-Boat crew would survive? Didn't we want Lee Marvin to get his Iron Cross? George Peppard racked up scores of Allied killed we wanted him to get his Blue Max.

My friend from England and I played Check Your Six as Me-109 pilots. He was disappointed he didn't get to yell "Tally Ho" but him hurling insults at the British players with his English accent was funny.

So what WON'T I do….be a sheep and follow a flock.

Won't do range estimation. I've played it before, was actually fairly good at it (probably even better nowadays as I have to estimate measurements at work quite a lot). I just don't like it in games.

Also won't do tournament-style games. I've played 'em before, just don't like that style of gaming.

I don't play current or recent wars (i.e. anything from Vietnam onwards). I find refighting wars that I can remember is distasteful.

I would not mind playing fictional encounters (e.g. combat zone etc). I may well buy the Empress modern US army figures and use them.

Mick

Play 'reality-based' games….I'd rather 'make history' than be it….

or as the chap said in 'Night at the Museum'…'The North Wins, the South loses, get over it…besides, you got NASCAR and Oakridge Boys and Lynard Skinnerd?'…or something like that…

Being 'EVIL' like 'Ming from Mongo' is 'campy fun'…being truly 'evil'…'demonic' is something I won't do, be it 'SS' or D&D, etc…just haven't the 'mindset'…though having investigators in C of C getting 'brain-canned' by Mi-go is just good clean fun!

Slishfully,
Sgt DWW-btod

Play with unpainted minis <shudder>

I will never play Vietnam. I was a there. I saw my buddies die there. It can never be a game for me.

I won't play any scale larger than 28mm (and I don't play that very often). I don't like the look of the large figures on the table and it feels like maneuver room is reduced. I paint them too slow also.

Allen

I won't do 17th and 18th century slave raids in Africa. I won't do SS. I won't do Mexican-American War. I won't do Conqistadores in the New World. There might be more; if I remember them, I will post the additions.

I won't put unpainted miniatures on a game table.

I won't play games where the hyper-detail of hit location involves multiple rolls or steps.

Can't think of anything TBH, same goes I think for the group I play with.

I am with Saber, no SS every. I also won't do Spartans do
to the over glamorizing of these Ancient SS.

I also won't do Spartans do to the over glamorising of these ancient SS

Have to make distinctions. If I were an actor, I'd play, e.g., a witch in MACBETH or Satan in whatever. Blurring the distinction between right and wrong is to be avoided -- but playing bad guys as bad guys is a different matter.

Btw, I cannot agree with anyone who puts the Confederates in the same category as the SS. Again, distinctions have to be made.

What "Rob H" said. I don't do proxies either.

Erik

So . . . the good guy figures will always be sitting alone on the table, unused, because no one wants to play the bad guys properly?

Geez, guys. It's called gaming for a reason!!!

If I have to play Satan or Hitler or Saddam on a gaming table, I'll be the best one there is. That doesn't mean I care for them in real life. Gaming is not real life.

Dan
PS. Doc McB has it right. Gaming bad guys should be viewed just like an actor views acting the part of a bad guy. Play the best part possible, regardless the role.

I don't do GW Chaos becuase it frames miniature gaming in a poor light. They're the gateway drug of gaming. First is a Chaos army, then dressing like a goth, then the pierced eyebrow then the neck tattoo.

SS are no problem for me because they were real. An unliked bunch of evil doers, but real. Al Queda, Pol pot, the Teutonic Order and any army in History all share similar motives and actions.

I'm in it for a game based in reality and it's hard to do WW2 and not have SS troops in certain campaigns. I have SS and normal troops.

What I won't do and do not tolerate is those that dress up and espouse the philosophies of said groups while gaming. I simply don't play with those types.

T

CC;
For sake of discussion, I said I would play "Wehrmacht"…and in pulp, I'll happily play the "evil Nazi's"…because I know it's pulp…and somebody needs to be the bad guys….

I just kind of have an issue with a lot of guys that "do the SS thing"…I think it's because if a player has a large scale of Wehrmacht and SS and plays either with no problems…I really have no problem…but if all the guy has is SS and seems to reeeeeeeeaaaalllly like wearing his Totenkopft SS T-shirts, (esperically to gaming conventions)….then there's a problem there…

This also stems from the fact that I don't hang around a lot of WWII SS reenactors because they tend to get into the Nazis "A little too much"…

And as for the space game…well…..I hate math….

I see that T essentially said what I did also…

I won't play IGOUGO anymore.

I won't put unpainted minis on the table.

If I gamed the SS (or any other super bad guys) then they'd be good, non-atrocity SS: just misguided in their choice of allegiance!

VB

I won't play any game where I have to pull out a calculator to play.

M:"I WILL NOT play SS"
T:"SS are no problem"
M:"I see that T essentially said what I did"
???

I won't put up with tedious nitpicking and empty debates on how magic works, the definition of the aether, which tank was better and whether I have the correct idler wheel on a model.

In my Gearkrieg campaign, a player whose character was a allied spy in the Luftwaffe, had the choice of calling down Stuka's on a Russian tank unit or forward elements of SS Tontenkopf. He chose to blow the snot out of the SS, even though it compromised his cover.

I won't have players use refugee columns as speed bumps with their tanks/walkers.

I won't allow ninja's in any form.

I will not tell a rabid Magic: the Gathering player/collector that a friend and I cut up some of our cards and used them to make variant 40K vehicles(they get violent).

I won't run a Gor role playing campaign.

ther's some others but I'll stop now.

I won't stop my opponent from enjoying a game with me because he hasn't finished painting his miniatures.

I won't let playing with people who have stupid/irrational predjudies spoil my fun.

No unpainted minis
Try to avoid tournaments

I won't play Empire. Ever. Again. In comparison, Harpoon are Fast Play rules!

Does it mean Im a nutter if I have an SS army?

Not that I do, but I do have several SD units for anti-partisan games.

Guess that means Im a closet Nazi then…

Oh and I will play any period – Cos its a game and not real.

*sigh*…

Bravo X…here you go…nice and simple….

T: What I won't do and do not tolerate is those that dress up and espose the philosophies of said groups while gaming. I simply don't play with those types.

M: I really have no problem…but if all the guy has is SS and seems to reeeeeeeeaaaalllly like wearing his Totenkopft SS T-shirts, (esperically to gaming conventions)….then there's a problem there…

Big P; no..it doesn't….I have Soviet Troops…does it make me a commie? I have Confederate Troops, does it make me a slaveowner?

Once again for everyones benefit: "I really have no problem…but if all the guy has is SS and seems to reeeeeeeeaaaalllly like wearing his Totenkopft SS T-shirts, (esperically to gaming conventions)….then there's a problem there…"

"SS are no problem for me because they were real. An unliked bunch of evil doers, but real. Al Queda, Pol pot, the Teutonic Order and any army in History all share similar motives and actions."

Surely you don't really mean ANY army? You mean no Late Romans, Saxons, Normans, any European Medievals, Jacobites, Bavarians of any period… Mexicans?

Crikey.

As for me I think I will play anything as after all,, we are only "playing".

I won't however ever play without my clothes on, its a modesty thing.

I'd play in the nude, but only depending on the temperature in the room.

There is, after all, such a thing as shrinkage.

Dan

"In WWII mini-gaming, I WILL NOT play SS. I'll play Wehrmacht, but not SS. I never liked the b*st*rds and I take exceptional glee in killing them."

Amen, brother. I take particular pleasure in beating them with Belgians, Dutch, Norwegians, etc. but anyone will do in a pinch.

It comes down to: I will not play a French Napoleonic Guard force, hesitate at running Commissar figures in skirmishes, don't like playing SS – others have to provide the figures, and I will not play VC or any of the modern religious fighters and I will not do IRA (go figure).

Further, I painted Confederates before I painted any Union so that I'd have something to fight. Which is funny, because as I've gotten older I tend to agree with Jefferson Davis on the States Rights issue.

Yankees, or UN forces, but since I don't do modern it's not much of a problem. Or commies of any flavor.

Wont be like some others and do the tournament play thing. Been there, done that, didn't enjoy it.

Murphy I get what you are saying and understand.

On the other hand I will play SS, Taliban, Spartans, Confederates, or anything else you put on the table. It's a game and I am there to enjoy some adult time with other adults, and young adults who show maturity. When you work in special education those moments are golden.

On the other hand I have just come to the realization that I have never played a Tarawa game. Passed up the opportunity twice. As a Marine no longer on active duty I just dont want to have to wade through that lagoon turn after turn.

I am not really comfortable playing anything from WWII to the present though I have no problem with others doing so. While the Mongols were pretty darned nasty to folks, I am guessing that no one coming up on me wearing my Mongol world tour shirt or playing the army will suddenly grow ashen and state that their grandfather was murdered by the Mongols. Just a personal thing for me.

Like some others I will play either side in a WWII or Modern board game though. There is something about the minis that personalizes them and can in some cases make things too real.

The worst thing though is to play in any sort of game where opposing players make disparaging comments about one side, especially when the side being denigrated is a minority.

What won't I do ina game?

Well, I just wouldn't take it too seriously, because it's a game…

Since the 12th HJ SS division was a major opponent for 3rd Canadian Inf Div in the Normandy battles I have to allow them on the table.

No matter how much money or time I ever have for gaming, I will never do the following:
I won't build any sort of pike and shot army.
No tournaments. No tournament oriented rules (like DBx or FoW)
I won't play Empire anymore. Life's too short.
I won't play on the floor anymore. Knees and back would fail their saving throws.
Any rules requiring complex calculations, multiple charts and rolls for hit resolutions etc. again, life is too short.
Any Warhammer, 40K or their imitators.

Amen to that Mr Ace. If only everyone did the same.

I'll play more or less anything.

I'm intrigued by the morality that allows you to play Romans but not SS though.

Although I agree about the whole SS-loon in a T-shirt thing.