"Most-Played Renaissance Rules" Topic

What are your favorite miniatures rules for fighting large-scale land battles from ca. 1400-1700? Respondents could vote for up to five from the following list.

1644
A Glorious Victory
Armati
Barded Fury
Basic Impetus
Battles in the Age of War
De Bellis Renationis
For God, King and Country
Forlorn Hope
Gendarme & Reiter
Great Captain
Husaria
Impetus
Killer Katanas
Matchlock
Maximilian!
Newbury Fast Play Rules for Medieval & Renaissance Warfare
Newbury Fast Play Rules for the Pike & Shot Period
Piquet: Band of Brothers
Piquet: Anchor of Faith
Regimente of Foote
Renaissance Principles of War
Renaissance Warfare
Repent or Die!
Spanish Fury
Tercio
The Age of Gunpowder
Warfare in the Age of Discovery
Wargames Rules for Fifteenth to Seventeenth Centuries
Warhammer English Civil War
Warlord II
With Pike, Sword and Pistol
Other (including home brew)

Are there any others that I may have missed?

Cheers,
Scott

Warmaster is often used for the early modern period. It is the set of rules that gets the most play where I am.

Father Tilly is missing from your list. Nice set of rules, too.

Gush.

1st DBR
2nd Maximilian!
3rd Armati

I like DBR the best…. but I only play Italian Wars.

Joe Collins

I'm trying to Remember the "proper" name for the Gush rules.

Please add "Universal Soldier"

Black Powder is missing as well. Technically, the Pike and Shotte expansion isn't out yet, but it isn't hard to adjust for the period as is.

Thread title says "most-played", but OP says "favourite". not the same thing at all. And anyway how could you possibly measure "most-played"?

DBA-RRR for me.

Gush.

I believe that they're covered

Wargames Rules for Fifteenth to Seventeenth Centuries

One of the finest set of rules that WRG ever produced, and not written in Barkerese. Rather dated now, but we had some good games with them back in the day.

1-DBR
2-DBR
3-DBR
4-DBR
5-Impetus

1) Dominance – Italian Wars only, published by Scimitar Wargames group, as used by Peter Gilder, and if they are good enough for him then they are good enough for me.
2) Forlorn Hope for the ECW
3) Gush for everything else, played the 2nd edition most, but still prefer the 1st edition for games between Western armies, the 2nd edition did better for the Eastern types.

Black Powder
DBA-RRR [i.e. De Bellis Antiquitatis – Renaissance, Reformation and Restoration]
Dominance
Father Tilly
Universal Soldier

Consider them added!

Warmaster

Fantasy or Ancients?

I'm trying to Remember the "proper" name for the Gush rules.

As Jeff mentioned, it is:

Wargames Rules for Fifteenth to Seventeenth Centuries.

Thanks, everyone… keep 'em coming!

Cheers,
Scott

And anyway how could you possibly measure "most-played"?

By everyone honestly voting for the ones they have played the most, even if they no longer or never did like them….

Oh, I see your point.

1) Maximilian
2) Piquet – Band of Brothers
3) Forlorn Hope
4) DBR

And anyway how could you possibly measure "most-played"?

To the best of my knowledge, no TMP poll has ever "measured" anything.

"To the best of my knowledge, no TMP poll has ever "measured" anything."

Precisely!

WRGs by Gush.

"Fantasy or Ancients? "

Neither, Warmaster ECW, of course.

Gush but I've become fond of the Beta versions of FoGR

Newbury warfare throught the ages, not the fast playe ones, and now Warlord II
William

Renaissance Warfare.
Spanish Fury.
Polemos.
Warfare in the Age of Discovery.

Age of Gunpowder

fire and fury – pike and shot ….

Neither, Warmaster ECW, of course.

Ahhh… your own home-brew variant, based on the fantasy version. Thanks.

fire and fury – pike and shot ….

Another home-brew variant… okay.

So we have the following additions:

Age of Gunpowder
FOGR [i.e. Field of Glory: Renaissance Wars]
Fire & Fury: Pike and Shot (gamer variant)
Polemos: English Civil War
Warmaster English Civil War (gamer variant)

Newbury warfare throught the ages, not the fast playe ones

I know about the Ancient and Napoleonic rule books, but not the Renaissance one. Can you give me the full title?

Many thanks,
Scott

For me-

Forlorn Hope
1644
WRG rules
Armati
Terry Wise Rules

Don't think the Terry Wise rules have been mentioned, their full title appears to be 'Wargames rules for English Civil Wars and Thirty Years War circa 1618-1651 by Terence Wise' published by Athena.

Somewhere I have a set called 'Dutchman, Spaniard, Switzer, Swede' I think, mainly on 30YW, never played them though!

There's also the free set 'For Parliament King or Glory', see here uk.groups.yahoo.com/group/PKG

Age of Gunpowder

I missed it in my earlier reply, but this one is already in the OP list:

Tercio
The Age of Gunpowder
Warfare in the Age of Discovery

Cheers,
Scott

How are you defining Renaissance? If you mean warfare in Europe 1500 – 1700 then I suggest you eliminate Killer Katanas. Killer Katanas, I believe, is for Samurai warfare.

As for most played that would probably go to WRG-Gush or DBR because of their long dominance of the period.

For Parliament, King, or Glory is a very interesting rules set that uses Morale as the basis for all combat. It is the third rules set in the author's series — the first two were In the Name of Glory (Napoleonics) and Honor & Glory (ACW). I will use PKG in my next ECW game.

Cheers,
gregoryk

If one is to list of every rule ever used with figures holding pikes and matchlocks, one must not over look Dave Millward's "Musketeer". This is an absolute must for this list. I don't know how it got overlooked.

How are you defining Renaissance?

Quite loosely, as you can see.

I am well aware that the term "Renaissance" refers to a specific, and quite narrow, period in the history of Europe. However, in miniatures wargaming, the use of specifically Euro-centric period terms such as "Medieval" are often extended to the same rough time period around the world. I chose to do the same with "Renaissance" in my poll suggestion, in part to see if this very point would be raised.

Naturally, if a majority of TMPers find this use of the term "Renaissance" as a general wargaming period to be unacceptable, I am confident that the collective wisdom of the group will be able to form a consensus around a more traditional historical definition. Then we can go ahead and remove all of the rule sets that do not fit.

In the meantime, we can definitely add:

For Parliament, King and Glory
Musketeer

Cheers,
Scott

Scott
Newbury and Trevor Halsall had a set of rules called Warfare through the Ages, then he had an ancient, a medival and Renaissance supplement.

William

Newbury and Trevor Halsall had a set of rules called Warfare through the Ages, then he had an ancient, a medival and Renaissance supplement.

Thanks, Bill. You wouldn't happen to know the full title of the Renaissance supplement, would you?

Many thanks,
Scott

DBR & DBR Condensed Scale even better