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T34forU12 May 2010 2:36 p.m. PST

Folks,
It is finally happening! Expect copies available in July and definitely for Historicon. I talked to Rich yesterday, and the shipment of the new rules is expected shortly. Here is a taste of what you can expect.

Enjoy!

link

Centurion904612 May 2010 3:01 p.m. PST

Thx. for sharing the news. I have been looking forward to this since 2006.

Trajanus12 May 2010 3:05 p.m. PST

definitely for Historicon

OK, so what about the rest of the Planet?

T34forU12 May 2010 3:08 p.m. PST

You'll be able to order it through his newly revamped website as well.

Ken Portner12 May 2010 3:48 p.m. PST

So does "shortly" mean before July? If so, when.

docdennis196812 May 2010 4:28 p.m. PST

This thing must have been play tested about a Gadzillion times by now! Likely no really " serious " glitches could get by that much examination, by the designers and the vast array of player types that got involved. This will likely rise or fall on individual tastes, outlooks, and whims and not on any lack of quality in the item. Best of luck with it!!

T34forU12 May 2010 5:07 p.m. PST

Bede:

Unsure if they'll be sold before July, but I believe he's taking "pre-orders" through the website.

Docdennis:

I was one of those "vast array of players" as a GM and at this past Cold wars, we were using Version 63 of the charts. I believe Rich and his crew got up to version 67 or 69 before they called it quits.

Kaleb

peru52200012 May 2010 7:10 p.m. PST

Can't wait. I have played in a few of the test games that others have put on and really enjoyed the games and rules. Looking forward to getting a copy of them.

aercdr12 May 2010 8:38 p.m. PST

Looking forward to the final version. SHould be loads of fun. Looks to be a nicely done package.

skinkmasterreturns13 May 2010 2:39 a.m. PST

This is a must get for me. I have played several versions of it,and about 5 years ago bought several regimental level scenario books for this game.The wait is finally over.

No Name13 May 2010 3:25 a.m. PST

No; I don't believe it! It must be at least five years ago I first did some playtesting of these with Rich; what is he going to do with all the free time now that he has his life back??

Tom Reed Supporting Member of TMP13 May 2010 6:16 a.m. PST

Awesome! I've played Regimental a few times in it's infancy and have always had a great time. Awe! Just checked the website and can't preorder just yet.

Lucius13 May 2010 6:43 a.m. PST

I'm looking forward to it.

Not to hijack the thread, but can someone tell me why the original Fire 'n Fury is out of print? I bought it when it first came out, and by now, it is in tatters. I've wanted a new copy for years.

YogiBearMinis Supporting Member of TMP13 May 2010 7:20 a.m. PST

A black-and-white reprint was put out a year ot two ago (?) and might still be available from OMM and similar places. I think the thought was that the color version would be too expensive to reprint relative to its likely popularity, and the then-looming Regimental Fire & Fury would steal its thunder in any event.

No Name13 May 2010 7:31 a.m. PST

IIRC when Rich regained the rights a few years ago, the minimum print run was quite high, and he wasn't convinced that he would sell them all.

Garryowen Supporting Member of TMP13 May 2010 8:45 a.m. PST

When I tried the link, I got some Google document site for me to share my work on line.

Tom

Canuckistan Commander13 May 2010 11:08 a.m. PST

Could you put it on a link that does not require me to share my personal info for the millionth time. What is this COSTCO?!

T34forU13 May 2010 12:47 p.m. PST

Yeah, the flyer came in a PDF format, so that was the only way I could figure out a way to link the file to the forum. If you guys have suggestions on how to get a PDF onto this site, I'm all ears.

Windward13 May 2010 2:24 p.m. PST

Wow that's a tiny scale! Each stand is 40 guys, so an 800 man regiment is 20 stands and 20"s wide in line!

Actually I guess its much closer to 15mm, but sure going to eat up a lot of figures, with 400 man reg being 10 bases and 30 figs vs 13 figs for JR3 or 20 figs for JR2.

Looks like a nice production though.

T34forU13 May 2010 2:32 p.m. PST

Windward,

Unlike the brigade system, regimental utlizes "double ranks" or double stand width. So a 20 stand unit would only be 10 stands/inches wide and two deep.

Our club will not be re-basing our stands used for brigade level. So our 4 and 3 figures per stand will remain. But I believe the new system calls for stands that are not as deep as the brigade rules. So 3 figures per stand I believe will be the norm.

Regards,

Kaleb

Regulars13 May 2010 4:57 p.m. PST

We have been playtesting with the same stands used for the Brigade game. That is three infantry per stand for 15mm (and I use 5 per stand with my 10mm). However, as long as the stands line up the exact base size is not critical and rebasing is not necessary.

By the way when using my 10mm we use the same templates as 15mm.

The ratio is 1 stand to 40 infantry however for smaller battles like Glorieta in New Mexico we have used 1 stand to 20 infantry.

Cheers
Joel in Northern Virginia.

Canuckistan Commander14 May 2010 9:14 a.m. PST

Ship the flyer to my site via email and I will post it.

canuckcommander.pbworks.com

docdennis196814 May 2010 9:57 a.m. PST

Well unless things have changed it does not matter how many figures you have on a stand, it is how many stands a unit has!! So you could (at one extreme) play 54mm or 40mm and call each figure a stand for gaming purposes or cram 2 ranks and file closers in 10mm on a 1 1/2 inch square and That would be a stand too, and all other scales and numbers you might have already! Nice concept that worked well for gamers to adapt their collections for Fire and Fury Brigade Level. Should do the trick here ! Those with 3 or 4 castings per base in a single rank will probably like the look of the double ranks for a battleline, and the ones with two or staggered castings will give the effect of a "more ragged" battle line, also more realistic at least IMHO!

Combat Colours14 May 2010 11:50 a.m. PST

I'm really looking forward to this!!!

WarDepotDavid14 May 2010 4:52 p.m. PST

Looks fantastic. Can't wait. Been hanging for a long time. Got tonnes of unpainted Adler ACW to get ready.

David
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Canuckistan Commander15 May 2010 4:46 a.m. PST

"Each 1" x 3/4" stand with 3 infantry figures, and 1" x 1" with 2 cavalry figures, represents 40 men."

That means it will take 10 stands to represent 1 average regiment and 25 stands for a full strength regiment.

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My 10mm are based on 1x3/4 at 6 figures in two ranks per stand, so it will not look very historical for me. I will have to have a look at how this is going to work for me. Seems that it will be very hard to do the big JR3 scenarios.

docdennis196815 May 2010 5:58 a.m. PST

Well several gamers have suggested that you could consider each (6 casting stand) (in 2 ranks) as actully 2 3man stands and use maybe something like pipe cleaner ovals to mark the back 3 as a lost stand untill losses have you remove the entire stand. Just an idea to allow both JR and F&F to be played without changing anything in your collection except how many stands you want to use for each !

Cleburne186315 May 2010 6:34 a.m. PST

Yes, that is what Mark Hayes suggested in a recent thread.

TMP link

I'm hoping there will be a detailed explanation/description of how to do so in the new rulebook. Makes sense, since most gamers already have their basing as 3-4 figures in two ranks on each stand.

Trajanus15 May 2010 1:16 p.m. PST

I'm sure there will be ways of making things work.

I'll be using my 28mm Perry's mounted with 4 figures in two ranks on each stand, no way are these guys going to get re based!

Callan17 May 2010 5:35 p.m. PST

The amount of figures on each stand does not matter. Just use 1 base width equals 1" in range and you'll be fine. But yes, F&F does require a lot more bases per regiment than e.g. Johnny Reb.

Trajanus18 May 2010 9:57 a.m. PST

Anyone who has played 'Guns At Gettysburg' won't have a problem with the number of stands – they are at 1:20!

It really depends on what you think the 'average' size ACW unit really was – no too any up the 900 to 1000 men end I think you'll find!

Trajanus21 May 2010 1:41 a.m. PST

Anyone who has played 'Guns At Gettysburg' won't have a problem with the number of stands they are at 1:20!

It really depends on what you think the 'average' size ACW unit really was no too any up the 900 to 1000 men end I think you'll find!

Actually, the first part of this doesn't quite stack up! 1:20 with four figures to a stand = 80 men per stand and RF&F is 40 men per stand so the units on table will be bigger!

RF&F 400 men = 10 stands G@G 400 men = 5 stands

What I meant was we use 9 stand units in G&G but that = 720 men.

The second part of my original comment still stands.

balticbattles29 May 2010 11:12 a.m. PST

Does the book include charts, rules etc for War of 1812 as in some previous versions?

Thanks

Happy Wanderer30 May 2010 5:44 p.m. PST

Gents,

As mentioned above by T34forU, current FnF basing with troops on 1"x1" bases will simply work as a double rank base in RFnF. You need only mark an 'odd' casualty for a stand loss.

For extended line formation bases would need to be seperated by an inch but the use of this formation is likely not to be frequent.

Hence a typical ten stands unit (40x10=400men) actually is 5 bases of 1"x1"…more than covered by most mini collections I'd say.

Cheers

HappyW

Regulars10 Jun 2010 1:46 p.m. PST

highlandbevan,

To answer your question yes and no. Rich is planning on the charts for the other periods MAW, 1812 etc…to be available off the F&F Web site but not as a seperate book or included with the base rule set. We are working on the MAW scenarios first and these will be available in increments starting with Taylors campaigns, then Scott's Valley of Mexico and last the Western and California battles.

These will all require the base rule book but will include period specific charts and special rules for the period.

If you are at Historicon I'm running Palo Alto MAW using the new Regimential F&F rules on Friday night and may work into Resca de la Palma as a pickup game.

Cheers
Joel in Northern Virginia

balticbattles11 Jun 2010 2:45 p.m. PST

Hi Joel,

Sadly I'm on the wrong side of the Atlantic for Historicon, though maybe I will get there one day.

My group plays Age of Eagles and I play the Russo-Swedish War 1808-9, which are regimental level actions.

Thanks for the info, one of our members has MAW figures (and 1812) and now has something to play with them!

Bevan

vichussar24 Jul 2010 8:37 a.m. PST

My copy of RF&F posted by Rich on 16th Jul arrived Melbourne, Australia 22nd Jul. Currently reading it between bus runs and wishing I had hung on to my Aifix ACW figs painted for Union 12 Corps.8^(

95thRegt24 Jul 2010 10:52 a.m. PST

t really depends on what you think the 'average' size ACW unit really was no too any up the 900 to 1000 men end I think you'll find!
>>
There were VERY few full strength 900-1000 men regiments in any given battle. The exception would be the late war Heavy Artillery regiments. At Gettysburg,I believe the average Federal regiment was around 350-400. And a lot of times even less! The entire Irish brigade in the 2nd corps was barely over 500 men!

Bob C.

BrianH26 Sep 2013 7:52 a.m. PST

What has changed in the 2010 version versus the 2005 one?

Thanks,
Brian

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