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Correus01 May 2010 5:32 p.m. PST

Hello Everyone -

I was recently sent a print of a Russian Officer of the Elisavetgrad Hussars 1815. I added a link.

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Okay – I've read that the Elisavetgrad had gray dolman and pelisse, however, to me the dolman and pelisse look blueish.

So I goggled the unit. All I can seem to find, photo wise, is of the the unit from the 1860s to the October Revolution. These do show them as a lightish blue (one is even white).

So, is the the dolman and pelisse gray during the Napoleonic period? If so, when did it switch over to blue?

Frederick Supporting Member of TMP01 May 2010 6:25 p.m. PST

The Elizabethgrad Hussars initially wore a straw yellow dolman and pelisse with red collars and cuffs and yellow braid – in 1809 in common with the other Russian Hussar regiments they changed their uniform colours – their dolman and pelisse were gray with dark green breeches, gray collar and cuffs and yellow lace

Not sure when they changed, but the uniform during the later part of the Napoleanic Wars was definately gray

Correus01 May 2010 6:27 p.m. PST

Frederick – thanks. Do you know of any on-line sites that would have pictures of a uniform? I've been trying to Google them but all that comes up is the one for 1906.

aecurtis Fezian01 May 2010 6:35 p.m. PST

OK, in your post here, I can read the caption (a bit) better!

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I have a couple of postcards of the regiment that are also blueish-grey, but a bit less blue than that--including the one at upper left here:

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I believe that they are correctly identified in grey (see Viskovatov), but that it had a blueish tinge. And I don't believe that changed, right up to the Revolution.

See also:

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…and this card again:

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…from:

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Note that comparing them to the regiments who *are* uniformed in blue, they don't appear quite so blue.

Allen

nvrsaynvr01 May 2010 9:27 p.m. PST

Note that the Yelisavetgrad (and Pavlograd) had red lace. At least the men. It seems the officers had gold lace. The Parkhayev card has been corrected in the Russkaya Armiya 1812-1814 book.

Frederick Supporting Member of TMP02 May 2010 5:03 a.m. PST

Correus – as always, Allan has pulled up some great on-line resources – as you can see, the Elizabethgrad might have been bluish grey, but the regiments that were in blue were in a very blue uniform

Correus04 May 2010 6:03 p.m. PST

AWESOME guys!!!

A special thanks to Allan as well.

This is one of the major reasons I love this forum – all the help.

I have decided to go with a gray with a bluish trim – almost a Wedgwood Blue.

Now I just need to figure out the breeches…are they a different Dark Green or the same Dark Green as the tunic/coat of the infantry. I would assume so – wouldn't you?

Thanks again!
Larry

von Winterfeldt05 May 2010 1:22 a.m. PST

Hopefully Chuvak did not leave this forum for good …

nvrsaynvr05 May 2010 8:16 a.m. PST

I don't see any indication that d.green was other than the usual d.green, but don't forget they might be wearing their gray riding overalls.

I'm looking at the Parkhayev plate in Русская Армия 1812-1814 – Parkhayev did the cards Allen linked to.

The newer plate shows the pelisse clearly a little bluer than the overalls or cape. Also the troop's red lace and black fur trim. In some regiments, including the Yelisavetgrad, the men in the hussars had adopted black trim despite the regulations because white was too hard to keep clean. (The NCO's already had black, and the officers were supposed to have gray, although your plate doesn't show that either.)

Correus07 May 2010 2:16 p.m. PST

Excellent!

Lambert Supporting Member of TMP16 Feb 2019 1:35 a.m. PST

I'm resurrecting this thread having decided to paint some Elisavetgrad Hussars for the post-1809 period. All the illustrations in the links above seem to show yellow lace and yellow shako cords. However nvrsaynvr c:omments
"Note that the Yelisavetgrad (and Pavlograd) had red lace".
The Osprey also refers to this unit possibly having red lace and red shako cords as late as 1814, though the regulations seem to have been for yellow.
Does anyone know the answer, or are red and yellow equally likely?

Greystreak18 Feb 2019 9:17 a.m. PST

I'd go with red.

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Lambert Supporting Member of TMP18 Feb 2019 11:51 a.m. PST

Greystreak, that's brilliant. Thank you!

Prince of Essling19 Feb 2019 12:39 p.m. PST

Link to Mark Conrad's translation of the article from which the illustration accompanies:
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Lambert Supporting Member of TMP19 Feb 2019 12:53 p.m. PST

Prince of Essling – many thanks, much appreciated.

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